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I don't see the relation. This tweet is just a funny picture but I'm sure they manage just fine when the snow is removed. It's not difficult to find picture sh

I don't see the relation. This tweet is just a funny picture but I'm sure they manage just fine when the snow is removed. It's not difficult to find picture showing the same problem with normal car: http://spectrum-bend.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/article-1353073-0D05AC73000005DC-310_964x611.jpg http://spectrum-bend.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/article-... Edit: another one: https://today.rtl.lu/news/world/a/1824899.html https://today.rtl.lu/news/world/a/1824899.html hundreds of motorists blocked on the highway in france this week. Nothing to do with self driving car.

ben_w 5y ago
I think the relation is (concern about) insufficient consideration for diversity of real world environments. Looking at those wheels, I can only assume they were designed by someone who never experiences mild snow outside their home. Someone in San Francisco or Monterey, for example. Yes, even though the company is Estonian. I’m somewhat more trustful that self driving cars can cope with bad weather in particular, though the general principal “reality is hard” still applies: https://youtube.com/shorts/kM-xBgz26pE?feature=share https://youtube.com/shorts/kM-xBgz26pE?feature=share
- varajelle 5y ago
  But why should self driving car be hold to higher standard than normal car? I mean, reality is hard also for humans. Like all these human driver stuck on the highway over night because they didn't think snow would block their car. What if something really unexpected happen? Actually autonomous car has more likelihood to react and stop the car in time than a human driver.
  - Kye 5y ago
    >> "But why should self driving car be hold to higher standard than normal car?" This was one of the pitches before the goalposts moved again. They were going to be better drivers than humans.
  - ben_w 5y ago
    > But why should self driving car be hold to higher standard than normal car? What I wrote shouldn’t be seen as implying that, though as @Kye writes in the other reply, the AI part of a self-driving car being better than the human in a normal car is the main selling point to date. To use my previous link as a concrete case: while humans naturally suffer from various optical illusions, a human who mistakes a truck carrying traffic lights for a continuous stream of traffic lights in the roadway shouldn’t be allowed to take a driving test, let alone pass. When AI perception is at a merely human level, it can react faster. Right now, it lacks the perception to know when it needs to react, so it has to be turned to balance type I and type II errors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_I_and_type_II_errors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_I_and_type_II_errors AI cars will be great, but they aren’t yet. Are Teslas and Waymos already better on average than humans? I think so, but with low certainty and by a small margin. But in the long term, when they have learned how to see, they can indeed see more and react faster.

ben_w 5y ago

I think the relation is (concern about) insufficient consideration for diversity of real world environments. Looking at those wheels, I can only assume they were designed by someone who never experiences mild snow outside their home. Someone in San Francisco or Monterey, for example. Yes, even though the company is Estonian. I’m somewhat more trustful that self driving cars can cope with bad weather in particular, though the general principal “reality is hard” still applies: https://youtube.com/shorts/kM-xBgz26pE?feature=share https://youtube.com/shorts/kM-xBgz26pE?feature=share

varajelle 5y ago
But why should self driving car be hold to higher standard than normal car? I mean, reality is hard also for humans. Like all these human driver stuck on the highway over night because they didn't think snow would block their car. What if something really unexpected happen? Actually autonomous car has more likelihood to react and stop the car in time than a human driver.
- Kye 5y ago
  >> "But why should self driving car be hold to higher standard than normal car?" This was one of the pitches before the goalposts moved again. They were going to be better drivers than humans.
- ben_w 5y ago
  > But why should self driving car be hold to higher standard than normal car? What I wrote shouldn’t be seen as implying that, though as @Kye writes in the other reply, the AI part of a self-driving car being better than the human in a normal car is the main selling point to date. To use my previous link as a concrete case: while humans naturally suffer from various optical illusions, a human who mistakes a truck carrying traffic lights for a continuous stream of traffic lights in the roadway shouldn’t be allowed to take a driving test, let alone pass. When AI perception is at a merely human level, it can react faster. Right now, it lacks the perception to know when it needs to react, so it has to be turned to balance type I and type II errors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_I_and_type_II_errors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_I_and_type_II_errors AI cars will be great, but they aren’t yet. Are Teslas and Waymos already better on average than humans? I think so, but with low certainty and by a small margin. But in the long term, when they have learned how to see, they can indeed see more and react faster.