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Meanwhile, you can charge 12+ e-bikes in the space of one car. That's the real infrastructure we need.

imchillyb 5y ago
> Meanwhile, you can charge 12+ e-bikes in the space of one car. That's the real infrastructure we need. @zachkatz Next downpour: @imchillyb: ::waves to silly biker as I pass them:: Hey guys, pipe down, we're almost home. @zachkatz: ::Grumbles about rain, snow, sleet, and more recently hail. Looks behind at Timmy, Sally, Sue, and the dog all miserably following them home; drenched and shivering-cold on their e-bikes, and dog's paws on wet-cold-concrete. Glad you're gonna fight for that e-bike spot, I sure won't!
- dash2 5y ago
  That might apply more in Chicago than Lisbon, though.
- Tostino 5y ago
  They are not a replacement for every situation, but they work amazingly well when they do. I don't think you are making a good faith argument here. I've been in towns and cities all up and down the east coast of the US with my bike, and they range from absolutely terrible for any bike traffic (stroads everywhere) to fantastic. The biggest obstacle to bikes being more usable is simply not designing our infrastructure in the least human/bike friendly way possible.
- ben-schaaf 5y ago
  It rains more on average in the Netherlands than it does in the USA and the vast majority don't stop cycling. 30% of children under 12 ride their bikes to school year round in Oulu, Finnland, where it gets as cold as -30C. Cycling is faster, cheaper, healthier and even if you never want to ride a bike cycling infrastructure means less congestion for cars.
- rwj 5y ago
  I've been biking in -20oC, and it wasn't a big deal. You need the right clothing, but otherwise it's fine. Part of the issue is that people who drive never buy decent winter clothing.
eecc 5y ago
No the real infrastructure change we need are different urban zoning plans to eliminate single-use neighborhoods. We need to drastically cut down on commuting and switch to diffused co-working and telepresence.
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> Meanwhile, you can charge 12+ e-bikes in the space of one car. That's the real infrastructure we need. @zachkatz Next downpour: @imchillyb: ::waves to silly biker as I pass them:: Hey guys, pipe down, we're almost home. @zachkatz: ::Grumbles about rain, snow, sleet, and more recently hail. Looks behind at Timmy, Sally, Sue, and the dog all miserably following them home; drenched and shivering-cold on their e-bikes, and dog's paws on wet-cold-concrete. Glad you're gonna fight for that e-bike spot, I sure won't!

dash2 5y ago
That might apply more in Chicago than Lisbon, though.
Tostino 5y ago
They are not a replacement for every situation, but they work amazingly well when they do. I don't think you are making a good faith argument here. I've been in towns and cities all up and down the east coast of the US with my bike, and they range from absolutely terrible for any bike traffic (stroads everywhere) to fantastic. The biggest obstacle to bikes being more usable is simply not designing our infrastructure in the least human/bike friendly way possible.
ben-schaaf 5y ago
It rains more on average in the Netherlands than it does in the USA and the vast majority don't stop cycling. 30% of children under 12 ride their bikes to school year round in Oulu, Finnland, where it gets as cold as -30C. Cycling is faster, cheaper, healthier and even if you never want to ride a bike cycling infrastructure means less congestion for cars.
rwj 5y ago
I've been biking in -20oC, and it wasn't a big deal. You need the right clothing, but otherwise it's fine. Part of the issue is that people who drive never buy decent winter clothing.

eecc 5y ago

No the real infrastructure change we need are different urban zoning plans to eliminate single-use neighborhoods. We need to drastically cut down on commuting and switch to diffused co-working and telepresence.

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