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> you may take a break (I do), but it will be liek a half-hour break, at most, and most available chargers (if they are available, in Europe), will give you wha

> you may take a break (I do), but it will be liek a half-hour break, at most, and most available chargers (if they are available, in Europe), will give you what? 10 miles extra in that time? Depends on the charger and the car. Ionity's chargers are 350 kW: https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html And, for example, cars on Hyundai's E-GMP platform (currently Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, and Genesis GV60) can charge 10 to 80% in 18 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqcqy29ZCc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqcqy29ZCc The Kia EV6's WLTP range is 528km so 80% of that is 422km. If we say the real world highway range is more like 400km then 80% would be 320 km.

dmitriid 5y ago
> Ionity's chargers are And their availability is?
- clouddrover 5y ago
  Excellent. And they're not the only DC fast charging provider. There's FastNed, EnBW, Allego, etc. Even Tesla has started to open their chargers to all makes (only 10 sites in the Netherlands so far).
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    Define "excellent". As in "available to anyone at anytime at short notice"?
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      Nothing is available to anyone at anytime at short notice, except possibly disappointment. Here are examples of some of the best charging stations in Europe and the UK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK2shbCwDYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK2shbCwDYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > Nothing is available to anyone at anytime at short notice Funny. When I drive a regular car, gas stations are available all the time, at short notice. With a throughput of possibly hundreds of cars an hour.
        clouddrover 5y ago
        Nope. Fuel shortage: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/fuel-shortage-uk-intl-scli-gbr/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/fuel-shortage-uk... Fuel shortage: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59059093 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59059093 Fuel shortage: https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/canadian-province-extends-fuel-rationing-after-flooding/article https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/canadian-province-exten... Fuel shortage: https://www.ibtimes.com/diesel-shortage-amid-soaring-prices-truck-stops-resort-rationing-3334927 https://www.ibtimes.com/diesel-shortage-amid-soaring-prices-... Things are tough all over in the real world.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > Nope Yup > Fuel shortage Ah yes. Extraordinary short-term events affecting only some regions vs. chronic shortage of available fast chargers pretty much everywhere. Yup, same thing.
        clouddrover 5y ago
        > Extraordinary short-term events You picked the conditions of the contest, son. You claimed "available to anyone at any time at short notice". You were straight up wrong. Deal with it.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        It's not a contest, and I didn't pick conditions for it. This is called a reality. This all started with a discussion of a long trip. The reality is that, at best, EVs require you to do very careful planning with potentially lengthy breaks regardless of "excellent coverage" and exuberant youtube ads of "best charging stations".

dmitriid 5y ago

> Ionity's chargers are And their availability is?

clouddrover 5y ago
Excellent. And they're not the only DC fast charging provider. There's FastNed, EnBW, Allego, etc. Even Tesla has started to open their chargers to all makes (only 10 sites in the Netherlands so far).
- dmitriid 5y ago
  Define "excellent". As in "available to anyone at anytime at short notice"?
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    Nothing is available to anyone at anytime at short notice, except possibly disappointment. Here are examples of some of the best charging stations in Europe and the UK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK2shbCwDYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK2shbCwDYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > Nothing is available to anyone at anytime at short notice Funny. When I drive a regular car, gas stations are available all the time, at short notice. With a throughput of possibly hundreds of cars an hour.
      - clouddrover 5y ago
        Nope. Fuel shortage: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/fuel-shortage-uk-intl-scli-gbr/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/fuel-shortage-uk... Fuel shortage: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59059093 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59059093 Fuel shortage: https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/canadian-province-extends-fuel-rationing-after-flooding/article https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/canadian-province-exten... Fuel shortage: https://www.ibtimes.com/diesel-shortage-amid-soaring-prices-truck-stops-resort-rationing-3334927 https://www.ibtimes.com/diesel-shortage-amid-soaring-prices-... Things are tough all over in the real world.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > Nope Yup > Fuel shortage Ah yes. Extraordinary short-term events affecting only some regions vs. chronic shortage of available fast chargers pretty much everywhere. Yup, same thing.
        clouddrover 5y ago
        > Extraordinary short-term events You picked the conditions of the contest, son. You claimed "available to anyone at any time at short notice". You were straight up wrong. Deal with it.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        It's not a contest, and I didn't pick conditions for it. This is called a reality. This all started with a discussion of a long trip. The reality is that, at best, EVs require you to do very careful planning with potentially lengthy breaks regardless of "excellent coverage" and exuberant youtube ads of "best charging stations".