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It's a 4-5 hour drive. Yes, you may take a break (I do), but it will be liek a half-hour break, at most, and most available chargers (if they are available, in

It's a 4-5 hour drive. Yes, you may take a break (I do), but it will be liek a half-hour break, at most, and most available chargers (if they are available, in Europe), will give you what? 10 miles extra in that time? Add extra weight (luggage) or anything external (skis/snowboard on the roof rack), and boom, your effective range in an electric vehicle has gone down by a factor of 1.5 or more

speedgoose 5y ago
Depends on the EV and the conditions of course but you can charge quite a lot during half an hour. Probably more than half a the range. It may actually be faster to do two shorter breaks with the current technology.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > you can charge quite a lot during half an hour. Strictly depeds on the charger. Where I live, the vast majority of chargers are slow chargers, and all fast ones are usually occupied.
clouddrover 5y ago
> you may take a break (I do), but it will be liek a half-hour break, at most, and most available chargers (if they are available, in Europe), will give you what? 10 miles extra in that time? Depends on the charger and the car. Ionity's chargers are 350 kW: https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html And, for example, cars on Hyundai's E-GMP platform (currently Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, and Genesis GV60) can charge 10 to 80% in 18 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqcqy29ZCc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqcqy29ZCc The Kia EV6's WLTP range is 528km so 80% of that is 422km. If we say the real world highway range is more like 400km then 80% would be 320 km.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > Ionity's chargers are And their availability is?
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    Excellent. And they're not the only DC fast charging provider. There's FastNed, EnBW, Allego, etc. Even Tesla has started to open their chargers to all makes (only 10 sites in the Netherlands so far).
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      Define "excellent". As in "available to anyone at anytime at short notice"?
      - clouddrover 5y ago
        Nothing is available to anyone at anytime at short notice, except possibly disappointment. Here are examples of some of the best charging stations in Europe and the UK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK2shbCwDYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK2shbCwDYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > Nothing is available to anyone at anytime at short notice Funny. When I drive a regular car, gas stations are available all the time, at short notice. With a throughput of possibly hundreds of cars an hour.
        clouddrover 5y ago
        Nope. Fuel shortage: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/fuel-shortage-uk-intl-scli-gbr/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/fuel-shortage-uk... Fuel shortage: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59059093 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59059093 Fuel shortage: https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/canadian-province-extends-fuel-rationing-after-flooding/article https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/canadian-province-exten... Fuel shortage: https://www.ibtimes.com/diesel-shortage-amid-soaring-prices-truck-stops-resort-rationing-3334927 https://www.ibtimes.com/diesel-shortage-amid-soaring-prices-... Things are tough all over in the real world.

speedgoose 5y ago

Depends on the EV and the conditions of course but you can charge quite a lot during half an hour. Probably more than half a the range. It may actually be faster to do two shorter breaks with the current technology.

dmitriid 5y ago
> you can charge quite a lot during half an hour. Strictly depeds on the charger. Where I live, the vast majority of chargers are slow chargers, and all fast ones are usually occupied.

clouddrover 5y ago

> you may take a break (I do), but it will be liek a half-hour break, at most, and most available chargers (if they are available, in Europe), will give you what? 10 miles extra in that time? Depends on the charger and the car. Ionity's chargers are 350 kW: https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html And, for example, cars on Hyundai's E-GMP platform (currently Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, and Genesis GV60) can charge 10 to 80% in 18 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqcqy29ZCc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqcqy29ZCc The Kia EV6's WLTP range is 528km so 80% of that is 422km. If we say the real world highway range is more like 400km then 80% would be 320 km.

dmitriid 5y ago
> Ionity's chargers are And their availability is?
- clouddrover 5y ago
  Excellent. And they're not the only DC fast charging provider. There's FastNed, EnBW, Allego, etc. Even Tesla has started to open their chargers to all makes (only 10 sites in the Netherlands so far).
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    Define "excellent". As in "available to anyone at anytime at short notice"?
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      Nothing is available to anyone at anytime at short notice, except possibly disappointment. Here are examples of some of the best charging stations in Europe and the UK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK2shbCwDYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK2shbCwDYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoN4WCpuxHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > Nothing is available to anyone at anytime at short notice Funny. When I drive a regular car, gas stations are available all the time, at short notice. With a throughput of possibly hundreds of cars an hour.
        clouddrover 5y ago
        Nope. Fuel shortage: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/fuel-shortage-uk-intl-scli-gbr/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/fuel-shortage-uk... Fuel shortage: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59059093 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59059093 Fuel shortage: https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/canadian-province-extends-fuel-rationing-after-flooding/article https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/canadian-province-exten... Fuel shortage: https://www.ibtimes.com/diesel-shortage-amid-soaring-prices-truck-stops-resort-rationing-3334927 https://www.ibtimes.com/diesel-shortage-amid-soaring-prices-... Things are tough all over in the real world.