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But how can people living in cities charge their cars overnight? Does each private garage spot have it's own electricity meter?

turbinerneiter 5y ago
People living in cities don't need cars. At least, that should be the goal.
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thanatos519 5y ago
In Amsterdam when you have an EV you can ask the city to install a new charging point near you: https://oplaadpuntaanvragen.amsterdam.nl/ https://oplaadpuntaanvragen.amsterdam.nl/ Also EV owners are spoiled in several other ways: https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/parking/electric-charging/ https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/parking/electric-charging/
xbmcuser 5y ago
Why does it need to be overnight though. Cars are also parked 9-5 when people are at work easily long enough for a full charge also with the added benefit of cars getting charged with solar in many places. As more electric cars get on the road the charging infrastructure will get built. At night charging will get expensive in the future as more electric cars and start charging at night.
avianlyric 5y ago
Use charging point in the street, if it a communal or private garage install a charging point. A basic charging point capable of charging a car and accurately measuring consumption for the purpose of charging costs about $700. Electricity meters are extremely simple and cheap devices. There’s literally nothing probative about installing one in every parking space. While your at it, might as well integrate a proper car charger.
- cowl 5y ago
  nothing excet economics. And I'm not talking only about the huge cost of having 1 charging point for each parking space, but I doubt current utitlity pole lines can handle the power needed to charge every car so every city must invest in completly new Electric infrastructure too.
  - avianlyric 5y ago
    I seriously doubt putting a charing point in every parking space is that expensive. We don't struggle to install lamp posts, or connect up houses. The cables are already there, you just need to tap into them. In the case of a lamp post that's trivial to do. Certainly capacity is a bit of a worry. But there are simple solutions to that as well. Offer cheaper charging, but you guarantee that you'll get X KWh between 8pm and 8am, but don't specify exactly which hours. Then just have the chargers load share, only having 20%-30% of cars charging at any one time, and changing which cars are charging to make sure that everyone get's their allocated KWhrs, and the grid isn't overloaded. This a feature that pretty much every commercial charger already supports. It's basically a standard feature to gang a bunch of chargers together, give them a shared power budget, and then let them either queue cars, and limit charging rates, to remain within the power budget. And even then, the cost of all this infrastructure is minuscule compared to cost of climate change defences and remediation. To claim this infrastructure is too expensive is penny wish, pound foolish. Finally there's already a bunch of companies installing these chargers, its gonna be a god damn gold rush. EV are inevitable, the companies that own the physical infrastructure are gonna make bank. Just like telecom and electricity companies did.
Starlevel001 5y ago
If you live in a city you shouldn't be using cars.

turbinerneiter 5y ago

People living in cities don't need cars. At least, that should be the goal.

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thanatos519 5y ago

In Amsterdam when you have an EV you can ask the city to install a new charging point near you: https://oplaadpuntaanvragen.amsterdam.nl/ https://oplaadpuntaanvragen.amsterdam.nl/ Also EV owners are spoiled in several other ways: https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/parking/electric-charging/ https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/parking/electric-charging/

xbmcuser 5y ago

Why does it need to be overnight though. Cars are also parked 9-5 when people are at work easily long enough for a full charge also with the added benefit of cars getting charged with solar in many places. As more electric cars get on the road the charging infrastructure will get built. At night charging will get expensive in the future as more electric cars and start charging at night.

avianlyric 5y ago

Use charging point in the street, if it a communal or private garage install a charging point. A basic charging point capable of charging a car and accurately measuring consumption for the purpose of charging costs about $700. Electricity meters are extremely simple and cheap devices. There’s literally nothing probative about installing one in every parking space. While your at it, might as well integrate a proper car charger.

cowl 5y ago
nothing excet economics. And I'm not talking only about the huge cost of having 1 charging point for each parking space, but I doubt current utitlity pole lines can handle the power needed to charge every car so every city must invest in completly new Electric infrastructure too.
- avianlyric 5y ago
  I seriously doubt putting a charing point in every parking space is that expensive. We don't struggle to install lamp posts, or connect up houses. The cables are already there, you just need to tap into them. In the case of a lamp post that's trivial to do. Certainly capacity is a bit of a worry. But there are simple solutions to that as well. Offer cheaper charging, but you guarantee that you'll get X KWh between 8pm and 8am, but don't specify exactly which hours. Then just have the chargers load share, only having 20%-30% of cars charging at any one time, and changing which cars are charging to make sure that everyone get's their allocated KWhrs, and the grid isn't overloaded. This a feature that pretty much every commercial charger already supports. It's basically a standard feature to gang a bunch of chargers together, give them a shared power budget, and then let them either queue cars, and limit charging rates, to remain within the power budget. And even then, the cost of all this infrastructure is minuscule compared to cost of climate change defences and remediation. To claim this infrastructure is too expensive is penny wish, pound foolish. Finally there's already a bunch of companies installing these chargers, its gonna be a god damn gold rush. EV are inevitable, the companies that own the physical infrastructure are gonna make bank. Just like telecom and electricity companies did.

Starlevel001 5y ago

If you live in a city you shouldn't be using cars.