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Right. The current 300 mile target is fine for cities or more dense regions. But I routinely drive around 250 miles with large uphills regions in weather that r

by ianai 5y ago

Right. The current 300 mile target is fine for cities or more dense regions. But I routinely drive around 250 miles with large uphills regions in weather that requires AC. The uphill parts are like a 2x range cost compared with the rest.

speedgoose 5y ago
And you drive that much without taking a break?
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  250 miles without breaks is not a big challenge. I routinely drove 400-500 kms without stopping when I toured Europe. Once on the highway you only have to go straight, anybody can do that. The only secret is to not make it a strict rule, if you feel like stopping, just stop.
  - speedgoose 5y ago
    It's actually unsafe. You have never been exposed to the communication campaign about taking breaks for safety ? You for example can see signs about this on the French motorways.
    - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
      it's unsafe if you don't stop when you feel the need to stop. Also: never drive long distances alone. I worked as a roadie in the music business, and I would never put in danger the 5-6 sometimes 9 people I had in the van with me, with all the equipment. I just drive at a regular pace around 100 kms/h and use the cruise control whenever possible I also set the limiter to something below the speed limit, to remind me to not go too fast (sometimes you find yourself speeding without even noticing because the road allows you to) I never drove more than ~5 hours straight and of course it all depends on the road conditions, crossing the Italian Alps toward Austria with snow it's not the same as cruising on German highways (where there's always some kind of fixing going on, so you aren't really going that fast) All in all the safest safety device right now is the human driving. But modern safety technologies are more than welcome , you can set a safety distance from the car in front of you, they follow the lines on the road so they actually can correct you if you make a mistake or are distracted, it got a lot better than the 90s where I drove my dad's car for 9 hours from my house to go snowboarding on the Alps. We were a gang of four and took turns.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  It's a 4-5 hour drive. Yes, you may take a break (I do), but it will be liek a half-hour break, at most, and most available chargers (if they are available, in Europe), will give you what? 10 miles extra in that time? Add extra weight (luggage) or anything external (skis/snowboard on the roof rack), and boom, your effective range in an electric vehicle has gone down by a factor of 1.5 or more
  - speedgoose 5y ago
    Depends on the EV and the conditions of course but you can charge quite a lot during half an hour. Probably more than half a the range. It may actually be faster to do two shorter breaks with the current technology.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > you can charge quite a lot during half an hour. Strictly depeds on the charger. Where I live, the vast majority of chargers are slow chargers, and all fast ones are usually occupied.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > you may take a break (I do), but it will be liek a half-hour break, at most, and most available chargers (if they are available, in Europe), will give you what? 10 miles extra in that time? Depends on the charger and the car. Ionity's chargers are 350 kW: https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html And, for example, cars on Hyundai's E-GMP platform (currently Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, and Genesis GV60) can charge 10 to 80% in 18 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqcqy29ZCc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqcqy29ZCc The Kia EV6's WLTP range is 528km so 80% of that is 422km. If we say the real world highway range is more like 400km then 80% would be 320 km.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > Ionity's chargers are And their availability is?
- ianai 5y ago
  In terms of parking at a charger, yes I drive that without taking a break. I mean I’m going shopping “in the city”. But that city only has one or two fast chargers for EVs and they’re very much out of the way and a little crime ridden for my comfort. We’ve also got a whole charging station going to waste apparently because it broke shortly after being built and not being brought back up. This isn’t what the future looks like if we’re replacing ICE vehicles with electrics. A driver needs to be able to pull into just about any commercial parking lot and find a fast charger. The most obvious would be wiring up the big box and grocery stores with fast chargers. But I’ve seen maybe a handful of those across three states. Oh btw I’m talking only about the US. It should be a known that the distances in the west US easily exceed those in the northeast and Europe on average.
  - patmorgan23 5y ago
    > This isn’t what the future looks like if we’re replacing ICE vehicles with electrics. A driver needs to be able to pull into just about any commercial parking lot and find a fast charger. The most obvious would be wiring up the big box and grocery stores with fast chargers. But I’ve seen maybe a handful of those across three states. Can you drive into just about any commerical parking lot and find a gas station to fill up with? We certainly need a much denser network of fast charging than exist today. But we don't even need to achieve the same density as our current gas refueling infrastructure because many people will be able to charge at home overnight. At some point apartment complexes will start to provide charging station for some or most of their residents. Remember most people will only need to charge to full once or twice a week.

by ianai 5y ago

speedgoose 5y ago

And you drive that much without taking a break?

peoplefromibiza 5y ago
250 miles without breaks is not a big challenge. I routinely drove 400-500 kms without stopping when I toured Europe. Once on the highway you only have to go straight, anybody can do that. The only secret is to not make it a strict rule, if you feel like stopping, just stop.
- speedgoose 5y ago
  It's actually unsafe. You have never been exposed to the communication campaign about taking breaks for safety ? You for example can see signs about this on the French motorways.
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    it's unsafe if you don't stop when you feel the need to stop. Also: never drive long distances alone. I worked as a roadie in the music business, and I would never put in danger the 5-6 sometimes 9 people I had in the van with me, with all the equipment. I just drive at a regular pace around 100 kms/h and use the cruise control whenever possible I also set the limiter to something below the speed limit, to remind me to not go too fast (sometimes you find yourself speeding without even noticing because the road allows you to) I never drove more than ~5 hours straight and of course it all depends on the road conditions, crossing the Italian Alps toward Austria with snow it's not the same as cruising on German highways (where there's always some kind of fixing going on, so you aren't really going that fast) All in all the safest safety device right now is the human driving. But modern safety technologies are more than welcome , you can set a safety distance from the car in front of you, they follow the lines on the road so they actually can correct you if you make a mistake or are distracted, it got a lot better than the 90s where I drove my dad's car for 9 hours from my house to go snowboarding on the Alps. We were a gang of four and took turns.
dmitriid 5y ago
It's a 4-5 hour drive. Yes, you may take a break (I do), but it will be liek a half-hour break, at most, and most available chargers (if they are available, in Europe), will give you what? 10 miles extra in that time? Add extra weight (luggage) or anything external (skis/snowboard on the roof rack), and boom, your effective range in an electric vehicle has gone down by a factor of 1.5 or more
- speedgoose 5y ago
  Depends on the EV and the conditions of course but you can charge quite a lot during half an hour. Probably more than half a the range. It may actually be faster to do two shorter breaks with the current technology.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > you can charge quite a lot during half an hour. Strictly depeds on the charger. Where I live, the vast majority of chargers are slow chargers, and all fast ones are usually occupied.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > you may take a break (I do), but it will be liek a half-hour break, at most, and most available chargers (if they are available, in Europe), will give you what? 10 miles extra in that time? Depends on the charger and the car. Ionity's chargers are 350 kW: https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html And, for example, cars on Hyundai's E-GMP platform (currently Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, and Genesis GV60) can charge 10 to 80% in 18 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46mG7I78Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqcqy29ZCc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqcqy29ZCc The Kia EV6's WLTP range is 528km so 80% of that is 422km. If we say the real world highway range is more like 400km then 80% would be 320 km.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > Ionity's chargers are And their availability is?
ianai 5y ago
In terms of parking at a charger, yes I drive that without taking a break. I mean I’m going shopping “in the city”. But that city only has one or two fast chargers for EVs and they’re very much out of the way and a little crime ridden for my comfort. We’ve also got a whole charging station going to waste apparently because it broke shortly after being built and not being brought back up. This isn’t what the future looks like if we’re replacing ICE vehicles with electrics. A driver needs to be able to pull into just about any commercial parking lot and find a fast charger. The most obvious would be wiring up the big box and grocery stores with fast chargers. But I’ve seen maybe a handful of those across three states. Oh btw I’m talking only about the US. It should be a known that the distances in the west US easily exceed those in the northeast and Europe on average.
- patmorgan23 5y ago
  > This isn’t what the future looks like if we’re replacing ICE vehicles with electrics. A driver needs to be able to pull into just about any commercial parking lot and find a fast charger. The most obvious would be wiring up the big box and grocery stores with fast chargers. But I’ve seen maybe a handful of those across three states. Can you drive into just about any commerical parking lot and find a gas station to fill up with? We certainly need a much denser network of fast charging than exist today. But we don't even need to achieve the same density as our current gas refueling infrastructure because many people will be able to charge at home overnight. At some point apartment complexes will start to provide charging station for some or most of their residents. Remember most people will only need to charge to full once or twice a week.