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jaclaz 5y ago
> And I will not stop calling it out when I see it. None of my business, but it seems to me that you are perfectly free to call out anything, the point, as I see it, is that: > Is it really. is not "calling out" or actually "anything else" that adds anything to the discussion, only a (BTW of difficult interpretation) unsubstantiated comment.
dang 5y ago
Every passionate ideologue thinks that both the community and the moderators are biased in favor of their opponents. Your counterparts are just as certain that it's all biased in favor of you: Typical modern leftist ideology. Very disappointed with HN lately. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25955953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25955953 Hacker News has a progressive Silicon Valley bias https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26402235 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26402235 this site is heavily biased towards the left https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610757 the status quo here is California liberalism https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26719247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26719247 HN, where the SV/SJW group think prevail https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26731079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26731079 a mod who curates comments based on what's politically expedient according to leftist valley dweebs https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26866955 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26866955 Ssshh.. You can't say that on HN. You might anger the WOKE mob! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27227591 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27227591 HN is best thought of as a machine for deepening the delusions of the left https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27242324 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27242324 pure commie propaganda https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27269114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27269114 Democrat cultists https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27308327 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27308327 HN is very, very authoritarian left https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27507112 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27507112 90% of the HN audience supports communism https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27816841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27816841 HN is populated by the very liberal types https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27939890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27939890 this website (like most of the internet), is controlled by the far left https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28037354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28037354 This site is sadly run by militant commies https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=k33n https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=k33n This site is ran by the most radical socialist lefties San Francisco has to offer https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28203889 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28203889 all non-leftie viewpoints are banned here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28237072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28237072 HN moderation got outsourced to affiliates of the Democratic Party https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28291108 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28291108 a total invasion of commies to HN over the past decade https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28065194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28065194 blue for how liberal it is [...] red for how commie it is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29022117 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29022117 insane how hard-left this forum has gotten https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29100962 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29100962 HN doesn't like it when you criticize the US left https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29176196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29176196 That's a small sample, and of course there is an equivalent list of complaints saying the opposite. They can't all be right, and I don't think the odds are very high that yours are right while theirs are wrong (or vice versa)—the comments are too isomporphic and the logic too identical. Rather, some deeper mechanism is generating them, one that you/they have in common. What might that be? Well, there's one variable that has complete predictive power here: the ideological passions of the observer. Since the entire phenomenon is predictable from that, I assume it's being generated by it. Moderation is far from perfect - for one thing, there's far too much content for us to see it all, and for another we make mistakes. But that's a far cry from "breeding a community full of extreme opinions, generally $ideology" and all the rest of it. Note that the one thing such complaints never come with is specific examples of all these horrendous things that moderators do or don't do.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  > Every passionate ideologue thinks that both the community and the moderators are biased in favor of their opponents I don't think you are explicitly biased. I don't think you are trying to promote one political ideology over another. I do think, that due to the way your rules are set up, and how you enforce them, you unintentionally end up attracting one, and driving away the other. And I think this process has been going on slowly for a long time, and that you may not be noticing it, but that HN has turned into a home for some pretty extreme viewpoints in the process, that are just hidden behind a thin veneer of respectability.
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> And I will not stop calling it out when I see it. None of my business, but it seems to me that you are perfectly free to call out anything, the point, as I see it, is that: > Is it really. is not "calling out" or actually "anything else" that adds anything to the discussion, only a (BTW of difficult interpretation) unsubstantiated comment.

dang 5y ago

Every passionate ideologue thinks that both the community and the moderators are biased in favor of their opponents. Your counterparts are just as certain that it's all biased in favor of you: Typical modern leftist ideology. Very disappointed with HN lately. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25955953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25955953 Hacker News has a progressive Silicon Valley bias https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26402235 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26402235 this site is heavily biased towards the left https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610757 the status quo here is California liberalism https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26719247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26719247 HN, where the SV/SJW group think prevail https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26731079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26731079 a mod who curates comments based on what's politically expedient according to leftist valley dweebs https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26866955 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26866955 Ssshh.. You can't say that on HN. You might anger the WOKE mob! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27227591 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27227591 HN is best thought of as a machine for deepening the delusions of the left https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27242324 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27242324 pure commie propaganda https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27269114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27269114 Democrat cultists https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27308327 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27308327 HN is very, very authoritarian left https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27507112 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27507112 90% of the HN audience supports communism https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27816841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27816841 HN is populated by the very liberal types https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27939890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27939890 this website (like most of the internet), is controlled by the far left https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28037354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28037354 This site is sadly run by militant commies https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=k33n https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=k33n This site is ran by the most radical socialist lefties San Francisco has to offer https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28203889 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28203889 all non-leftie viewpoints are banned here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28237072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28237072 HN moderation got outsourced to affiliates of the Democratic Party https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28291108 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28291108 a total invasion of commies to HN over the past decade https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28065194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28065194 blue for how liberal it is [...] red for how commie it is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29022117 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29022117 insane how hard-left this forum has gotten https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29100962 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29100962 HN doesn't like it when you criticize the US left https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29176196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29176196 That's a small sample, and of course there is an equivalent list of complaints saying the opposite. They can't all be right, and I don't think the odds are very high that yours are right while theirs are wrong (or vice versa)—the comments are too isomporphic and the logic too identical. Rather, some deeper mechanism is generating them, one that you/they have in common. What might that be? Well, there's one variable that has complete predictive power here: the ideological passions of the observer. Since the entire phenomenon is predictable from that, I assume it's being generated by it. Moderation is far from perfect - for one thing, there's far too much content for us to see it all, and for another we make mistakes. But that's a far cry from "breeding a community full of extreme opinions, generally $ideology" and all the rest of it. Note that the one thing such complaints never come with is specific examples of all these horrendous things that moderators do or don't do.

user-the-name 5y ago
> Every passionate ideologue thinks that both the community and the moderators are biased in favor of their opponents I don't think you are explicitly biased. I don't think you are trying to promote one political ideology over another. I do think, that due to the way your rules are set up, and how you enforce them, you unintentionally end up attracting one, and driving away the other. And I think this process has been going on slowly for a long time, and that you may not be noticing it, but that HN has turned into a home for some pretty extreme viewpoints in the process, that are just hidden behind a thin veneer of respectability.
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