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Not cutting forests down doesn’t provide sufficient opportunities for people to do things. At best you get a handful of people patrolling and maybe a small non

Not cutting forests down doesn’t provide sufficient opportunities for people to do things. At best you get a handful of people patrolling and maybe a small non profit with a speaker or two peacocking around. Whereas planting carbon capture forests provides tons of opportunities for people to do things, be involved, make money, build an identity, puff themselves up. Always look at incentives, not outcomes.

swader999 5y ago
Planting trees doesn't puff you up. It breaks you down literally. Tendinitis, back pain, muscle loss. You get PTSD, you wake up years later in a cold sweat from the nightmares. And the bugs...
- afarrell 5y ago
  Is this a consequence of planting trees or of working at a breakneck pace for an abusive employer?
  - swader999 5y ago
    It's the consequence of being paid by the tree, instead of by the hour. It's the best way to do it but it does take its toll.
    - afarrell 5y ago
      If the “best” way to do it is via a method which would discourage us from trying at all, we should change the definition of “best” to one that does not result in PTSD.
      - swader999 5y ago
        Well it's a go at your own pace sort of thing. Entirely self inflicted.
sul_tasto 5y ago
My son is in the boy scouts. A few years ago we met a man who had planted trees on a barren hill for his eagle project. He went back 30 years later and saw that that hill was now completely reforested. He was so inspired that he went around giving demonstrations to young scouts to try and get them interested in ecology.
- bradleyjg 5y ago
  Is this anecdote really to the contrary of what I said? You’ve told me all about how excited this person is about seeing the result, not anything about whether or not it was the optimal action to take 30 years ago. It’s just human nature. There’s no way to fight it. Best to try to use it instead.
  - sul_tasto 5y ago
    Not at all. I was just giving a concrete example from my own experience to substantiate your point.

swader999 5y ago

Planting trees doesn't puff you up. It breaks you down literally. Tendinitis, back pain, muscle loss. You get PTSD, you wake up years later in a cold sweat from the nightmares. And the bugs...

afarrell 5y ago
Is this a consequence of planting trees or of working at a breakneck pace for an abusive employer?
- swader999 5y ago
  It's the consequence of being paid by the tree, instead of by the hour. It's the best way to do it but it does take its toll.
  - afarrell 5y ago
    If the “best” way to do it is via a method which would discourage us from trying at all, we should change the definition of “best” to one that does not result in PTSD.
    - swader999 5y ago
      Well it's a go at your own pace sort of thing. Entirely self inflicted.

sul_tasto 5y ago

My son is in the boy scouts. A few years ago we met a man who had planted trees on a barren hill for his eagle project. He went back 30 years later and saw that that hill was now completely reforested. He was so inspired that he went around giving demonstrations to young scouts to try and get them interested in ecology.

bradleyjg 5y ago
Is this anecdote really to the contrary of what I said? You’ve told me all about how excited this person is about seeing the result, not anything about whether or not it was the optimal action to take 30 years ago. It’s just human nature. There’s no way to fight it. Best to try to use it instead.
- sul_tasto 5y ago
  Not at all. I was just giving a concrete example from my own experience to substantiate your point.