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This is the analogy I'm going to use from now on when people ask how I liked them. I think Engo has a chance to win though, at least for a while. They could re

This is the analogy I'm going to use from now on when people ask how I liked them. I think Engo has a chance to win though, at least for a while. They could release v2 next year with improved hardware and a slightly lower price and cyclists would eat it up. Meanwhile, Apple is going to release their AR glasses but I don't think the initial version will be rugged enough for sports use. And I imagine they'll be MUCH more than $300.

bredren 5y ago
Based on how you described them, it sounds like they are pretty cool and there are thresholds people have for battery life and price. I know people who choose Garmin watches for those two reasons so they may have picked the right market to address with that compatibility. > I imagine they'll be MUCH more than $300. I am guessing they will be priced around $2500-3000.
- bee_rider 5y ago
  Four is an awful lot of digits. I bet they'll be $999.99+-$10.
  - bredren 5y ago
    I can’t see gen one being that accessible. This product will replace high resolution monitors. I suspect part of the reason Apple has starved mid market 4K/5K is in anticipation of these obviating the need for a one or more monitors. If that’s the case, the glasses would avoid what would already have been a theoretical $2k Apple monitor. [1] Given these will also likely offer AR and access to apps and experiences monitors will not, I easily see the price crossing into the 3k territory. What I’m wondering is if they will integrate audio or it will pair with AirPods. And if they will use motion data from Watch off the bat. I’m guessing they will pair w airpods and watch. This would push the total cost of the complete system toward the $4k mark depending on what Watch / airpods are used. [1] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/why-are-5k-monitors-so-hard.2319583/page-2?post=30641053#post-30641053 https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/why-are-5k-monitors-so-...
- iamacyborg 5y ago
  The other non-negligible reason folks buy Garmin hardware is that they don’t try to sell you a subscription, they just sell good hardware.
  - blackboxlogic 5y ago
    Garmin certainly does offer outdoor adventure equipment with subscriptions and is looking for ways to incorporate subscriptions into more products because that's where the money is. Ex employee.
    - iamacyborg 5y ago
      InReach and a few other specialised products, right? I’ll be super disappointed if they start trying to charge a monthly sub for their fitness watches.
      - blackboxlogic 5y ago
        Conversations were around the intersection between cycling and safely equipment where the core features legitimately depend on ongoing services outside the device (gsm, for example).
        iamacyborg 5y ago
        Yeah I personally see no issue with subscriptions on that sort of product, or on things like the recent sim-compatible Forerunner watch.

bredren 5y ago

Based on how you described them, it sounds like they are pretty cool and there are thresholds people have for battery life and price. I know people who choose Garmin watches for those two reasons so they may have picked the right market to address with that compatibility. > I imagine they'll be MUCH more than $300. I am guessing they will be priced around $2500-3000.

bee_rider 5y ago
Four is an awful lot of digits. I bet they'll be $999.99+-$10.
- bredren 5y ago
  I can’t see gen one being that accessible. This product will replace high resolution monitors. I suspect part of the reason Apple has starved mid market 4K/5K is in anticipation of these obviating the need for a one or more monitors. If that’s the case, the glasses would avoid what would already have been a theoretical $2k Apple monitor. [1] Given these will also likely offer AR and access to apps and experiences monitors will not, I easily see the price crossing into the 3k territory. What I’m wondering is if they will integrate audio or it will pair with AirPods. And if they will use motion data from Watch off the bat. I’m guessing they will pair w airpods and watch. This would push the total cost of the complete system toward the $4k mark depending on what Watch / airpods are used. [1] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/why-are-5k-monitors-so-hard.2319583/page-2?post=30641053#post-30641053 https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/why-are-5k-monitors-so-...
iamacyborg 5y ago
The other non-negligible reason folks buy Garmin hardware is that they don’t try to sell you a subscription, they just sell good hardware.
- blackboxlogic 5y ago
  Garmin certainly does offer outdoor adventure equipment with subscriptions and is looking for ways to incorporate subscriptions into more products because that's where the money is. Ex employee.
  - iamacyborg 5y ago
    InReach and a few other specialised products, right? I’ll be super disappointed if they start trying to charge a monthly sub for their fitness watches.
    - blackboxlogic 5y ago
      Conversations were around the intersection between cycling and safely equipment where the core features legitimately depend on ongoing services outside the device (gsm, for example).
      - iamacyborg 5y ago
        Yeah I personally see no issue with subscriptions on that sort of product, or on things like the recent sim-compatible Forerunner watch.