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Well Israel is a US ally that serves US interests, namely it is by the Suez canal one of the busiest shipping lanes on earth. One could argue that there is a lo

Well Israel is a US ally that serves US interests, namely it is by the Suez canal one of the busiest shipping lanes on earth. One could argue that there is a lot of political support for Israel in the US but it really comes down to geopolitical interest. The others, Russia is a US adversary as it seeks to challenge the US order without Russia in it. Iran is a geopolitical adversary, simply because Saudi Arabia is a US ally - enemy of enemy is friend. China is on that fine line between adversary and competitor but definitely not an ally. So of course its not a big deal. The US knows Israel needs US support to maintain security along the canal and broader med.

xwolfi 5y ago
But that whole definition of friends of foe you've given is ridiculous though. Russia is trying to resist US bullying and european expansionism near its border, Iran revolted against US-selected dictators, and China, the largest country on Earth, doesnt even understand why the US makes any rule in the first place. I think this inflated US self importance is one of the biggest danger to world stability. This way to see everyone not immediately showing its ass to be sodomized to be an "adversary" is insane. Israel by your definition very much became an adversary: they wanted to monitor and control US elected officials to guide policies towards its interest. I dont think the "Suez canal" should be more important than the soul of the american democracy, but that, you dont seem to care as much about :D
- neximo64 5y ago
  This explanation is very poor. At their core countries have no feelings, there is no ill will or true adversary. There is a current interest for your people and economy. It is very much in Russia's interest to annex Ukraine, it has nothing to do with US bullying, etc. If Saudi Arabia were not a US ally the Iranian government would find no reason to really look at the US as a foe. Iran and Saudi Arabia have a balance of power to dominate the middle east and Saudi Arabia (with the help of the US) stands in the way of that, and that is why Russia helps Iran to counterbalance that. Historically Iran and Russia do not have alignment in their interests otherwise. I suspect you see the world this way because you basically 'stand where you sit', but you have to look at it from the point of view of the other side and where people stand where they sit there too. I.e if you were born & raised & were wealthy/vested etc on the other side would your opinion flip. Your opinion should flip, and then of course with both opinions against each other it ends up becoming about having more power, having alliances and playing cards right.
zionic 5y ago
> Well Israel is a US ally that serves US interests The US is an Israeli ally that serves Israel’s interests. Our federal intelligence (CIA) and law enforcement agencies (FBI) are subservient to Mossad. The FBI scooped a foreign intelligence operation setup ahead of time to film and celebrate 9/11 and they all walked. The CIA was completely unable to stop foreign assets from fabricating evidence for the Iraq war, serving none of our geopolitical goals (but all of mossads). Our leadership, democrat and republican, must kiss the ring of AIPAC to get elected and does so. Trump and Hillary got on the same stage and swore allegiance. A huge chunk of our congressional leadership are dual citizens, able to leave the country at the drop of a hat and live comfortably in another sovereign state. But ignore all of this, Russia is the real threat. The pathetic gas station of a country that recently had it’s only aircraft carrier killed in dry dock by a crane that fell over.
- ta988 5y ago
  https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/feb/25/blog-posting/no-members-congress-dont-have-dual-citizenship-isr/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/feb/25/blog-posti...
  - zionic 5y ago
    This article is largely false and disingenuous. The right of return is in fact automatic and does not require settlement. You can’t say “well they don’t have citizenship RIGHT NOW” while they can get it instantly whenever they want. Also, wealthy and powerful congressional representatives that routinely travel to Israel for vacation are not the same as your average person who happens to have x% Jewish DNA. These people are powerful and privileged, and are routinely the target of hostile foreign intelligence services.
- literallyWTF 5y ago
  Don’t forget that Israel is a disgusting apartheid state.
- throwaway20372 5y ago
  Anti-semetic remarks are never acceptable, we have come so far and progressed so much as a society, we are simple better than this. These types of attacks need to be censored and posters of such, banned. This is a place for everyone of every race and creed to get along, regardless of your feelings about a certain group, who may have some advantages in some fields, many different groups also have advantages in other fields as well, and they are not so often targeted. In the end, its all talk any way - and I mean it, nothing will happen because its all talk, years and years of talk. Some might posit we are a few generations too late to end this. The lack of tolerance is too much.
baybal2 5y ago
> Well Israel is a US ally that serves US interests, namely it is by the Suez canal one of the busiest shipping lanes on earth. One could argue that there is a lot of political support for Israel in the US but it really comes down to geopolitical interest. If Sisi blows up Suez, USA is much more better off! =D And if he blows up Tiran, even better — they will have to buy US oil too. That's more "geopolitical" for ya
- MichaelMoser123 5y ago
  >Is Sisi blows up Suez, USA is much more better off! Don't think so. Europe (and Nato/USA by extension) would have a very big problem.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    They just have to buy stuff from the US then, and not from China.
    - MichaelMoser123 5y ago
      Interesting. I thought that Europe is depending on the Gulf for its energy, but it turns out that it is Russia. But I guess they don't want to exclusively depend on Russia, so there must be some diversification via the Suez canal. Interesting what will happen to geopolitics, in the event that Europe turns carbon neutral (if that ever happens)... https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2c.html https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2... "The stability of the EU’s energy supply may be threatened if a high proportion of imports are concentrated among relatively few external partners. In 2019, almost two thirds of the extra-EU's crude oil imports came from Russia (27 %), Iraq (9 %), Nigeria and Saudi Arabia (both 8 %) and Kazakhstan and Norway (both 7 %). A similar analysis shows that almost three quarters of the EU's imports of natural gas came from Russia (41 %), Norway (16 %), Algeria (8 %) and Qatar (5 %), while over three quarters of solid fuel (mostly coal) imports originated from Russia (47 %), the United States (18 %) and Australia (14 %)."

xwolfi 5y ago

But that whole definition of friends of foe you've given is ridiculous though. Russia is trying to resist US bullying and european expansionism near its border, Iran revolted against US-selected dictators, and China, the largest country on Earth, doesnt even understand why the US makes any rule in the first place. I think this inflated US self importance is one of the biggest danger to world stability. This way to see everyone not immediately showing its ass to be sodomized to be an "adversary" is insane. Israel by your definition very much became an adversary: they wanted to monitor and control US elected officials to guide policies towards its interest. I dont think the "Suez canal" should be more important than the soul of the american democracy, but that, you dont seem to care as much about :D

neximo64 5y ago
This explanation is very poor. At their core countries have no feelings, there is no ill will or true adversary. There is a current interest for your people and economy. It is very much in Russia's interest to annex Ukraine, it has nothing to do with US bullying, etc. If Saudi Arabia were not a US ally the Iranian government would find no reason to really look at the US as a foe. Iran and Saudi Arabia have a balance of power to dominate the middle east and Saudi Arabia (with the help of the US) stands in the way of that, and that is why Russia helps Iran to counterbalance that. Historically Iran and Russia do not have alignment in their interests otherwise. I suspect you see the world this way because you basically 'stand where you sit', but you have to look at it from the point of view of the other side and where people stand where they sit there too. I.e if you were born & raised & were wealthy/vested etc on the other side would your opinion flip. Your opinion should flip, and then of course with both opinions against each other it ends up becoming about having more power, having alliances and playing cards right.

zionic 5y ago

> Well Israel is a US ally that serves US interests The US is an Israeli ally that serves Israel’s interests. Our federal intelligence (CIA) and law enforcement agencies (FBI) are subservient to Mossad. The FBI scooped a foreign intelligence operation setup ahead of time to film and celebrate 9/11 and they all walked. The CIA was completely unable to stop foreign assets from fabricating evidence for the Iraq war, serving none of our geopolitical goals (but all of mossads). Our leadership, democrat and republican, must kiss the ring of AIPAC to get elected and does so. Trump and Hillary got on the same stage and swore allegiance. A huge chunk of our congressional leadership are dual citizens, able to leave the country at the drop of a hat and live comfortably in another sovereign state. But ignore all of this, Russia is the real threat. The pathetic gas station of a country that recently had it’s only aircraft carrier killed in dry dock by a crane that fell over.

ta988 5y ago
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/feb/25/blog-posting/no-members-congress-dont-have-dual-citizenship-isr/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/feb/25/blog-posti...
- zionic 5y ago
  This article is largely false and disingenuous. The right of return is in fact automatic and does not require settlement. You can’t say “well they don’t have citizenship RIGHT NOW” while they can get it instantly whenever they want. Also, wealthy and powerful congressional representatives that routinely travel to Israel for vacation are not the same as your average person who happens to have x% Jewish DNA. These people are powerful and privileged, and are routinely the target of hostile foreign intelligence services.
literallyWTF 5y ago
Don’t forget that Israel is a disgusting apartheid state.
throwaway20372 5y ago
Anti-semetic remarks are never acceptable, we have come so far and progressed so much as a society, we are simple better than this. These types of attacks need to be censored and posters of such, banned. This is a place for everyone of every race and creed to get along, regardless of your feelings about a certain group, who may have some advantages in some fields, many different groups also have advantages in other fields as well, and they are not so often targeted. In the end, its all talk any way - and I mean it, nothing will happen because its all talk, years and years of talk. Some might posit we are a few generations too late to end this. The lack of tolerance is too much.

baybal2 5y ago

> Well Israel is a US ally that serves US interests, namely it is by the Suez canal one of the busiest shipping lanes on earth. One could argue that there is a lot of political support for Israel in the US but it really comes down to geopolitical interest. If Sisi blows up Suez, USA is much more better off! =D And if he blows up Tiran, even better — they will have to buy US oil too. That's more "geopolitical" for ya

MichaelMoser123 5y ago
>Is Sisi blows up Suez, USA is much more better off! Don't think so. Europe (and Nato/USA by extension) would have a very big problem.
- baybal2 5y ago
  They just have to buy stuff from the US then, and not from China.
  - MichaelMoser123 5y ago
    Interesting. I thought that Europe is depending on the Gulf for its energy, but it turns out that it is Russia. But I guess they don't want to exclusively depend on Russia, so there must be some diversification via the Suez canal. Interesting what will happen to geopolitics, in the event that Europe turns carbon neutral (if that ever happens)... https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2c.html https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2... "The stability of the EU’s energy supply may be threatened if a high proportion of imports are concentrated among relatively few external partners. In 2019, almost two thirds of the extra-EU's crude oil imports came from Russia (27 %), Iraq (9 %), Nigeria and Saudi Arabia (both 8 %) and Kazakhstan and Norway (both 7 %). A similar analysis shows that almost three quarters of the EU's imports of natural gas came from Russia (41 %), Norway (16 %), Algeria (8 %) and Qatar (5 %), while over three quarters of solid fuel (mostly coal) imports originated from Russia (47 %), the United States (18 %) and Australia (14 %)."