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"For our health" is a dangerously low burden in countries with a history of mass subjugation. No clue how Australian's view their own history though.

ggm 5y ago
Oh, generally with cynicism. Aus voted against conscription in WW1 and we have an innate distrust of politicians. But we also find American reductive libertarianism silly, oppose guns, and don't view the quarantine camps as universally bad. We're racist. We had a white Australia policy, we excluded people on race and language for decades, we had to vote in 1968 to give citizenship to aborigines, our press was famously anti-asian beyond the Hearst yellow press. You can't teach us about slavery, we did it too. (Kanaka blackbirding) We are partially in denial about our racist history, and detention of refugees. That's a far bigger problem than a public health emergency temporary constraint on civil liberties. 40% of Australians are migrants, or second generation of migrants, many from oppressive regimes and war. Many of us know people badly affected by quarantine rules. They are also unquestionably popular, and backed by more people than oppose them. There are many godwins-law comparison risks in camps, but we generally avoid them because they have WiFi and are shared by voluntary residents as well as recalcitrant subject to health law controls. A tiny number of people have had to stay beyond 14 days because of reinfection risks. We don't have lateral flow tests in widespread use. It is arguably a mistake, home quarantine should be fine. To repeat what I said above: I hate this government but these camps are not why, and very very few Australians view these camps as an assault on civil liberties in the wide. The performance demonstrations are not widely supported any more than the proud boys are in the USA. We are a literate, actively voting (its, mandatory voting with low bar to invalid ballot if you want) and we're not sheep, although Australians are more conformist than the popular image of sweary rebels. If you want to understand Australian attitudes to our history find "Babakiueria" (1986) on video, and then also look for recent lamb marketing videos (seriously: hunt 'australia day lamb ad 2021')
monkeydreams 5y ago
So is "for our safety" but almost every country will happily imprison folk for actions they have taken out of desperation, ignorance or fear, and torture and disenfranchise them in doing so. Under the banner of "For Our Safety" the allies went to war on flimsy pretext and killed hundreds of thousands. These health orders prevent the introduction of COVID into one of the poorest areas with least access to healthcare in the western world and so most of the "subjucators" appear happy enough to lock down and/or isolate if required.

ggm 5y ago

Oh, generally with cynicism. Aus voted against conscription in WW1 and we have an innate distrust of politicians. But we also find American reductive libertarianism silly, oppose guns, and don't view the quarantine camps as universally bad. We're racist. We had a white Australia policy, we excluded people on race and language for decades, we had to vote in 1968 to give citizenship to aborigines, our press was famously anti-asian beyond the Hearst yellow press. You can't teach us about slavery, we did it too. (Kanaka blackbirding) We are partially in denial about our racist history, and detention of refugees. That's a far bigger problem than a public health emergency temporary constraint on civil liberties. 40% of Australians are migrants, or second generation of migrants, many from oppressive regimes and war. Many of us know people badly affected by quarantine rules. They are also unquestionably popular, and backed by more people than oppose them. There are many godwins-law comparison risks in camps, but we generally avoid them because they have WiFi and are shared by voluntary residents as well as recalcitrant subject to health law controls. A tiny number of people have had to stay beyond 14 days because of reinfection risks. We don't have lateral flow tests in widespread use. It is arguably a mistake, home quarantine should be fine. To repeat what I said above: I hate this government but these camps are not why, and very very few Australians view these camps as an assault on civil liberties in the wide. The performance demonstrations are not widely supported any more than the proud boys are in the USA. We are a literate, actively voting (its, mandatory voting with low bar to invalid ballot if you want) and we're not sheep, although Australians are more conformist than the popular image of sweary rebels. If you want to understand Australian attitudes to our history find "Babakiueria" (1986) on video, and then also look for recent lamb marketing videos (seriously: hunt 'australia day lamb ad 2021')

monkeydreams 5y ago

So is "for our safety" but almost every country will happily imprison folk for actions they have taken out of desperation, ignorance or fear, and torture and disenfranchise them in doing so. Under the banner of "For Our Safety" the allies went to war on flimsy pretext and killed hundreds of thousands. These health orders prevent the introduction of COVID into one of the poorest areas with least access to healthcare in the western world and so most of the "subjucators" appear happy enough to lock down and/or isolate if required.