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What about the EU working on mandating a backdoor though? EU law supersedes local law.. I remember another German email provider raising this last week: https:

What about the EU working on mandating a backdoor though? EU law supersedes local law.. I remember another German email provider raising this last week: https://mailbox.org/en/post/chat-control-the-latest-eu-plans-to-outlaw-encryption-and-introduce-telecommunications-surveillance?nl https://mailbox.org/en/post/chat-control-the-latest-eu-plans... And https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-co... Other posts here mentioned it as exaggerated but it sounds pretty detailed there. It worries me a bit because it would instantly move the EU from one of the best on privacy protections to one of the worst in the western world.

nerbert 5y ago
That EU thing is work in progress. Germany can probably sink that easily.
- felixhammerl 5y ago
  Especially with the UK out of the picture.
MinorTom 5y ago
To expand on everybody elses arguments re:"EU law supersedes local law.." The German Constitution supersedes EU law, especially considering that some parts of it cannot be changed, but the German Constitutional Court has decided to always try to read the Constitution in a way that matches EU law. The only exception is if they believe the EU has gone 'ultra vires', i.e. significantly above their power. A recent decision by the GCC about policy of the European Central Bank has invoked this exception and has been fairly controversial because of that[0]. This situation has been defused by now, the German government has promised to reign in the GCC. [0] and also bc some economists disagree with the economic basis of that decision, but that's a topic for another time
estaseuropano 5y ago
These EU law worries seem to be blown put of proportion. But EU law is (while not legally required) most of the time adopted by consensus. I.e. a No by any EU gov can block a bill more or less indefinitely - certainly no one will try to outvote Germany or France on an important bill.
Dma54rhs 5y ago
What makes you think EU law supersedes the local law? I don't know about the Germany but one old guard of EU, France, has been in supreme court since 1996 and every time they say French law supersedes EU or any intestinal law as it should be.
- Hendrikto 5y ago
  https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/08/european-court-urges-poland-to-address-lack-of-judicial-independence https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/08/european-court-urges-pol... > After being fined €1 million per day by the European Court of Justice, Poland has said that it would remove the disciplinary chamber.
  - Dma54rhs 5y ago
    Well the issue of Poland is just politics, the old guard doesn't and won't see the EU as superior. And there are numerous cases proving that. Germany had to backtrack during the covid relief fund but they pretty much run the EU so..

nerbert 5y ago

That EU thing is work in progress. Germany can probably sink that easily.

felixhammerl 5y ago
Especially with the UK out of the picture.

MinorTom 5y ago

To expand on everybody elses arguments re:"EU law supersedes local law.." The German Constitution supersedes EU law, especially considering that some parts of it cannot be changed, but the German Constitutional Court has decided to always try to read the Constitution in a way that matches EU law. The only exception is if they believe the EU has gone 'ultra vires', i.e. significantly above their power. A recent decision by the GCC about policy of the European Central Bank has invoked this exception and has been fairly controversial because of that[0]. This situation has been defused by now, the German government has promised to reign in the GCC. [0] and also bc some economists disagree with the economic basis of that decision, but that's a topic for another time

estaseuropano 5y ago

These EU law worries seem to be blown put of proportion. But EU law is (while not legally required) most of the time adopted by consensus. I.e. a No by any EU gov can block a bill more or less indefinitely - certainly no one will try to outvote Germany or France on an important bill.

Dma54rhs 5y ago

What makes you think EU law supersedes the local law? I don't know about the Germany but one old guard of EU, France, has been in supreme court since 1996 and every time they say French law supersedes EU or any intestinal law as it should be.

Hendrikto 5y ago
https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/08/european-court-urges-poland-to-address-lack-of-judicial-independence https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/08/european-court-urges-pol... > After being fined €1 million per day by the European Court of Justice, Poland has said that it would remove the disciplinary chamber.
- Dma54rhs 5y ago
  Well the issue of Poland is just politics, the old guard doesn't and won't see the EU as superior. And there are numerous cases proving that. Germany had to backtrack during the covid relief fund but they pretty much run the EU so..