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I have zero expectations about people's ability to take the right thing seriously. You've made up your mind. You have complete confidence and conviction in the

I have zero expectations about people's ability to take the right thing seriously. You've made up your mind. You have complete confidence and conviction in the vaccine. That's fine. I respect your right to choose based on your own risk tolerance. So of course you and other fanatics won't take these points seriously, you think the alt premise is completely illegitimate. It's a fool errand to try to change the mind of someone who's certain they can't be wrong, so I'm not going to try. What I am trying to do is explain that after 2 years of worrying trends, events, and numerous unknowns.. it's reasonable to believe we're not getting the full story about the vaccine. But you know what, I hope I'm wrong. Let's chat again in 5 years, and then we'll know for certain.

Krasnol 5y ago
I wonder if you didn't get the point or intentionally play stupid here because long COVID is a thing already. You don't have to wait 5 years for it. It's happening. It's documented. You can google it up. It's easy. Everybody can do it. Just because YOU didn't have it, doesn't mean nobody else didn't.
- disambiguation 5y ago
  Actually no, and I'd love to be proven wrong. I've seen zero convincing evidence of "long covid". Mostly I see it defined as vague psychological effects .. hard to imagine any universal confounding factors that might result in everyone having a poorer psyche in general in recent history. The effects last a few weeks on average, 3 months in rare cases. While its odd an ominous for the effects to last that long, there's no reason to believe it will last for years. And while there are some real permanent effects, like loss of smell + taste, these are extremely rare. Like vaccine induced myocarditis rare, maybe even more so. Meanwhile, "all cause of death" rates are on the rise, despite ATH vaccination rates. Is that definitely because of "long covid", and definitely not because of the vaccine? That doesn't make sense to me.
  - Krasnol 5y ago
    So it's "play stupid" than. Sad.

Krasnol 5y ago

I wonder if you didn't get the point or intentionally play stupid here because long COVID is a thing already. You don't have to wait 5 years for it. It's happening. It's documented. You can google it up. It's easy. Everybody can do it. Just because YOU didn't have it, doesn't mean nobody else didn't.

disambiguation 5y ago
Actually no, and I'd love to be proven wrong. I've seen zero convincing evidence of "long covid". Mostly I see it defined as vague psychological effects .. hard to imagine any universal confounding factors that might result in everyone having a poorer psyche in general in recent history. The effects last a few weeks on average, 3 months in rare cases. While its odd an ominous for the effects to last that long, there's no reason to believe it will last for years. And while there are some real permanent effects, like loss of smell + taste, these are extremely rare. Like vaccine induced myocarditis rare, maybe even more so. Meanwhile, "all cause of death" rates are on the rise, despite ATH vaccination rates. Is that definitely because of "long covid", and definitely not because of the vaccine? That doesn't make sense to me.
- Krasnol 5y ago
  So it's "play stupid" than. Sad.