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It seems if Israel is receiving money from the US government and Israel controls the usage of NSO group weapons that are being targeted at the American governme

It seems if Israel is receiving money from the US government and Israel controls the usage of NSO group weapons that are being targeted at the American government then there are problems yea?

seoaeu 5y ago
Presumably no bigger problems than arose when the US wiretapped the Israeli prime minister’s phone…
smoldesu 5y ago
It's a catch-22. Telling other countries not to spy on us while we happily spy on others is a double standard.
- refurb 5y ago
  You’re taking this all too literally. It’s politics, it’s all a performance. When France was “angry” about Australia buying US nuclear subs and canceling their French contract do you really think that was real? It’s all for show, just like being “angry” at another country spying on you. You do something like “kick out their embassy employees”, then turn around and let new ones come in.
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    Yeah I think France was pretty pissed actually. There was no need to just do this for show. Most members of the public don't care about submarine deals. It doesn't make their government more popular.
    - refurb 5y ago
      Nahh… from what I’ve read, Australia had made it abundantly clear they were pulling out of the French deal. Maybe France was pissed they were excluded, but the “angry” was entirely for show. The public may not care about submarine deals but France certainly cares about how they are perceived on the world stage.
- triactual 5y ago
  What alternative do you propose? Give up? Naively hope every other world leaders (all sociopaths by nature, with intelligence agencies managed by yet more sociopaths) will understand and hold up their end of a deal they don’t even know exists? This is geopolitics, you take every advantage you can get, every time, forever. Spying is how you prevent wars by avoiding misunderstandings and miscalculations.

It seems if Israel is receiving money from the US government and Israel controls the usage of NSO group weapons that are being targeted at the American government then there are problems yea?

seoaeu 5y ago

Presumably no bigger problems than arose when the US wiretapped the Israeli prime minister’s phone…

smoldesu 5y ago

It's a catch-22. Telling other countries not to spy on us while we happily spy on others is a double standard.

refurb 5y ago
You’re taking this all too literally. It’s politics, it’s all a performance. When France was “angry” about Australia buying US nuclear subs and canceling their French contract do you really think that was real? It’s all for show, just like being “angry” at another country spying on you. You do something like “kick out their embassy employees”, then turn around and let new ones come in.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  Yeah I think France was pretty pissed actually. There was no need to just do this for show. Most members of the public don't care about submarine deals. It doesn't make their government more popular.
  - refurb 5y ago
    Nahh… from what I’ve read, Australia had made it abundantly clear they were pulling out of the French deal. Maybe France was pissed they were excluded, but the “angry” was entirely for show. The public may not care about submarine deals but France certainly cares about how they are perceived on the world stage.
triactual 5y ago
What alternative do you propose? Give up? Naively hope every other world leaders (all sociopaths by nature, with intelligence agencies managed by yet more sociopaths) will understand and hold up their end of a deal they don’t even know exists? This is geopolitics, you take every advantage you can get, every time, forever. Spying is how you prevent wars by avoiding misunderstandings and miscalculations.