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Why are you resisting installing steams first real competition which gives devs a bigger cut and regularly throws free games at you?

roblabla 5y ago
Because competing with steam through exclusive deals and free games is not competing, it's racing to the bottom. I don't see any actual improvements or innovations in the Epic Games Store, it looks like a pure money grab.
- naikrovek 5y ago
  sure, paying for games that you get to keep is a money grab... someone wanna explain this logic to me?
  - reificator 5y ago
    Do you want to explain where "paying for games that you get to keep" entered this conversation? The logic the GP was using was that exclusivity deals and "the first hit is free" tactics are not ultimately in the customer's interest.
    - naikrovek 5y ago
      that's arguable, but those tactics are good for getting people to use your store. this is what ALL coupons and advertising is actually manipulating you to do, and EGS isn't doing anything different, there. the thing EGS IS doing differently, however, is being much more fair to creators of these games, and basing their fees on the actual costs they must incur, instead of just taking as much as they can, which is very much in the consumer's best interest. it's in everyone's best interest, because more profit for most game devs means more games from those devs, and more games are what consumers want.
- dkjaudyeqooe 5y ago
  Steam has a massive head start and Epic has huge barriers to entry. You can make a super nice launcher and it's not going make many inroads among those who already have all their games and friends on Steam. Epic is throwing money at the problem, but they have few other real options. Where is the money grab (especially in free games)? How is Epic the bad guy here when Steam is in a monopoly position? Epic should be commended for taking them on (and Apple and Google).
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  The epic game store is vastly inferior to steam. But it frequently has high quality games available for free. And epic is pretty good to the indie game dev community. I see no reason not to go for it. Appeals to quality don't seem particularly meaningful when the price of both is 0.
tata71 5y ago
GOG isn't real competition?
tehbeard 5y ago
Because the competition is being done by throwing money at it... and not in the let's build a fantastic, quick and nice launcher with a world class user experience and amazing tools for developers... But in the same way VC funding artificially lowers the costs/prices to the consumer until they've captured a market and then bam, time to pump them for all they've got. I use it to just grab a game if it's free... and every time I realise they still haven't added dark mode to checkout to match the rest of the app, and get my retinas burnt by the sudden contrast flip.
- naikrovek 5y ago
  you should learn more about Tim Sweeney. he is all about store openness. read his rants about the windows 8 and windows 10 store(s) for example.
  - reificator 5y ago
    Having not read them I would be shocked if they differed dramatically from the points Gabe Newell makes about those same stores. At the end of the day both companies are trying to avoid getting squeezed out by a platform-pack-in monopoly.
    - naikrovek 5y ago
      well with a thick fuzzy qualifier like "differed dramatically" I can't say which side of that you'd end up on, but I can say that his views differ. they were different and compelling enough to get Microsoft to adopt most (maybe all, by now) of what he insisted upon.
  - wruza 5y ago
    We are all about happiness and openness until sufficient market share, then the music changes. Steam is a long player, egs seems to be a fast one, that’s it. You have a point, but don’t humanize corps too much.
  - tehbeard 5y ago
    While I have no love for Apple or any of the other billion dollar techbro places, Sweeney was the one running the corp. (Epic Games) that deliberately violated a contract (let's leave the discussion of is 30% ethical/justifable for a app store on the table for the moment), and then used a pre-planned ad campaign to galvanise an under-18 fanbase to try and control the narrative, right?
kgwxd 5y ago
All Steam-like clients are useless middlemen. More of them is not a good thing. Every desktop OS on the planet already has ways to install and manage programs, and they don't demand a cut.
greensoysauce 5y ago
Because Tim is against gaming on Linux.

roblabla 5y ago

Because competing with steam through exclusive deals and free games is not competing, it's racing to the bottom. I don't see any actual improvements or innovations in the Epic Games Store, it looks like a pure money grab.

naikrovek 5y ago
sure, paying for games that you get to keep is a money grab... someone wanna explain this logic to me?
- reificator 5y ago
  Do you want to explain where "paying for games that you get to keep" entered this conversation? The logic the GP was using was that exclusivity deals and "the first hit is free" tactics are not ultimately in the customer's interest.
  - naikrovek 5y ago
    that's arguable, but those tactics are good for getting people to use your store. this is what ALL coupons and advertising is actually manipulating you to do, and EGS isn't doing anything different, there. the thing EGS IS doing differently, however, is being much more fair to creators of these games, and basing their fees on the actual costs they must incur, instead of just taking as much as they can, which is very much in the consumer's best interest. it's in everyone's best interest, because more profit for most game devs means more games from those devs, and more games are what consumers want.
dkjaudyeqooe 5y ago
Steam has a massive head start and Epic has huge barriers to entry. You can make a super nice launcher and it's not going make many inroads among those who already have all their games and friends on Steam. Epic is throwing money at the problem, but they have few other real options. Where is the money grab (especially in free games)? How is Epic the bad guy here when Steam is in a monopoly position? Epic should be commended for taking them on (and Apple and Google).
spywaregorilla 5y ago
The epic game store is vastly inferior to steam. But it frequently has high quality games available for free. And epic is pretty good to the indie game dev community. I see no reason not to go for it. Appeals to quality don't seem particularly meaningful when the price of both is 0.

tata71 5y ago

GOG isn't real competition?

tehbeard 5y ago

Because the competition is being done by throwing money at it... and not in the let's build a fantastic, quick and nice launcher with a world class user experience and amazing tools for developers... But in the same way VC funding artificially lowers the costs/prices to the consumer until they've captured a market and then bam, time to pump them for all they've got. I use it to just grab a game if it's free... and every time I realise they still haven't added dark mode to checkout to match the rest of the app, and get my retinas burnt by the sudden contrast flip.

naikrovek 5y ago
you should learn more about Tim Sweeney. he is all about store openness. read his rants about the windows 8 and windows 10 store(s) for example.
- reificator 5y ago
  Having not read them I would be shocked if they differed dramatically from the points Gabe Newell makes about those same stores. At the end of the day both companies are trying to avoid getting squeezed out by a platform-pack-in monopoly.
  - naikrovek 5y ago
    well with a thick fuzzy qualifier like "differed dramatically" I can't say which side of that you'd end up on, but I can say that his views differ. they were different and compelling enough to get Microsoft to adopt most (maybe all, by now) of what he insisted upon.
- wruza 5y ago
  We are all about happiness and openness until sufficient market share, then the music changes. Steam is a long player, egs seems to be a fast one, that’s it. You have a point, but don’t humanize corps too much.
- tehbeard 5y ago
  While I have no love for Apple or any of the other billion dollar techbro places, Sweeney was the one running the corp. (Epic Games) that deliberately violated a contract (let's leave the discussion of is 30% ethical/justifable for a app store on the table for the moment), and then used a pre-planned ad campaign to galvanise an under-18 fanbase to try and control the narrative, right?

kgwxd 5y ago

All Steam-like clients are useless middlemen. More of them is not a good thing. Every desktop OS on the planet already has ways to install and manage programs, and they don't demand a cut.

greensoysauce 5y ago

Because Tim is against gaming on Linux.