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Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching th

Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching the game. I wonder if these long games are not particularly helpful. Most chess final games end in draws as players are reluctant to create an imbalance and instead play it safe. There tends to be more exciting games played in games with a shorter time limit. I'm not advocating bullet but perhaps they could try 30 minute matches instead?

sleepysysadmin 5y ago
>I'm not advocating bullet but perhaps they could try 30 minute matches instead? Other time controls is already a thing. Personally a huge rapid fan. I think Fisher was right. The problem is just prep and theory. If we still have classical time but chess960 so there isn't 20 moves of theory memorized.
wadkar 5y ago
> Bit of a spoiler :( I get your sentiment but this is really exciting news in the chess community. A win after so many years!!
- LeifCarrotson 5y ago
  "World chess championship has win outcome in longest-ever game" would be a great headline and wouldn't contain a spoiler. Unfortunately, they're probably optimizing for views, and Magnus has a lot of name recognition.
ganeshkrishnan 5y ago
You can watch the commentary by Judith Polgar. Of all the people I enjoy watching her live commentary because she has amazing insight into best moves and explains the reasoning behind it. For few of previous matches by Magnus, she found moves that even Magnus had missed.
- jpmoral 5y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crhU-pg7Rvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crhU-pg7Rvw Skip to 12:48 for the start of the commentary, 32:15 for the start of the game.
  - BurningFrog 5y ago
    Note that this is 8h47m long video!
- iechoz6H 5y ago
  Judit Polgár [1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polg%C3%A1r https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polg%C3%A1r
  - _old_dude_ 5y ago
    Every time i see her, i see Anya Taylor-Joy in the Queen Gambit ...
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- hcnews 5y ago
  Yeah Judit/Anish and Judit/Surya combos have been amazing for the 6 matches so far. It helps that Judit is a Catalan player and Magnus is choosing her opening.
NewEntryHN 5y ago
This game is a counter-example of a long boring game. It was a long exciting game.
lvass 5y ago
And unfortunate choice of news outlet. As a developer, I can't help mentioning how baffling it is part of the chess community keeps using a proprietary website filled to the brim on dark patterns while a better and free as in freedom alternative is available.
- dubeye 5y ago
  Do you use both? I regularly use both and there is definitely some aspects that li is not better.
- anoncow 5y ago
  Are you referring to lichess? I second that if yes.
- ajkjk 5y ago
  I think that chess.com pays some people to use their website on streams, etc. Although Lichess isn't perfect and it's kinda annoying. One of the bad things about Lichess is how unrealistically inflated their ratings are; 2100 on Lichess is equivalent to about 1800 on Chess.com. Chess.com is much more similar to the FIDE rating and other real-world systems. Lichess is just super inflated for some reason and it makes it kinda hard to compare your progress to other metrics.
  - aflag 5y ago
    That's not exactly true. chess.com matches closer to FIDE in the 1400-2000 range and lichess matches in the 2000+ range, whereas chess.com gets inflated in that range. All in all, they are all different systems with different player bases.
  - __s 5y ago
    https://www.chessratingcomparison.com/Graphs https://www.chessratingcomparison.com/Graphs There's also https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison if you prefer a table
    - 5y ago
jacobolus 5y ago
"It was the first decisive game in the classical rounds of a world championship in over five years." I wonder if there’s some way other than time constraints to encourage higher variance moves.
- bananamerica 5y ago
  I'm not an expert, but, from what I can gather, every time someone suggest a solution online they're immediately countered by multiple strong and sound counter arguments.
- ARandumGuy 5y ago
  There are plenty of ways you could do that. But then you would be playing a completely different game, and hundreds of years of theory and strategy would be gone.
- varunprasad 5y ago
  The 5 year thing is misleading though. It would have been 4 years if not for COVID. And what it basically means is that there were decisive games 4 years ago, and then 2 years later (the World Chess Championship is played every 2 years), in the 2018 match between Caruana and Magnus there were no decisive games. So essentially there was 1 match with all draws during the standard chess part of the tournament. And that match was between Fabi who is regarded as one of the players with some of the greatest prep and play in standard chess, and Magnus, who is really one of the greatest players, if not the greatest, of all time.
  - bjourne 5y ago
    But there were only two decisive games in the match against Karjakin. So 22 of the last 24 classical world championship games were draws (27 out of 30 if we count the current match). Even Magnus himself has said that he thinks it is a little dull.
    - matsemann 5y ago
      Even if the game today ended up with a draw after move 60,it still would have been a banger of a game. The result doesn't matter, it's how they got there.
shawnz 5y ago
Perhaps the title should be edited to remove the winner's name
Moodles 5y ago
Sorry about the spoiler :(
sillysaurusx 5y ago
You all need to watch GothamChess if games of chess seem boring :) I love Jerry, and I do watch him occasionally. But https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJl3BKA-n8&ab_channel=GothamChess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJl3BKA-n8&ab_channel=Gotha... is well done. (If you do want to watch Gotham for this particular match, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY5RSCi5pE&ab_channel=GothamChess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY5RSCi5pE&ab_channel=Gotha... starts the series, I think.)
- kilburn 5y ago
  and if you want to learn then you should watch Daniel Naroditsky's videos (pick the series/part that suits your level) https://www.youtube.com/c/DanielNaroditskyGM/playlists https://www.youtube.com/c/DanielNaroditskyGM/playlists He also comments frequently, and keeps his analysis understandable to my amateurish level while having better insight than Levy. Unfortunately his comment for the world championship is in the Russian channel (although he's from the US).
- jstx1 5y ago
  Gotham's style isn't for everyone, he can get pretty annoying. One good thing to say about him is that he really gets how beginners think and he's good at highlighting the moments of "this is what a beginner would do and this is why the really good players do something else".
  - YawningAngel 5y ago
    I think Gotham's style is very oriented towards entertainment. I don't mean this as a criticism - he has successfully entertained a lot of people. But I feel like I learn more from ChessNetwork. The absolute peak for me are the recaps Peter Svidler used to record for Chess24, such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJlVjicymKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJlVjicymKI - I haven't seen such deep and insightful analysis of games anywhere else.
    - thaurelia 5y ago
      You might be right in your assumption. I've watched Tata Steel 2021 live with Peter Leko (ex WC challenger btw) and Tanya Sachdev analysing the games live without computer assistance (except eval bar sometimes but no lines) and then watched Gotham's recap the next day. The difference was obvious with Levy missing the most interesting variations and positions in the game, which is funny because he probably uses engines for these analysis videos.
tiffanyh 5y ago
+1 for Agadmator Great Youtube reviews and explanation of strategy & gameplay.
- shawnz 5y ago
  For those interested, his review is already online. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A8XpSCL2f_Y https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A8XpSCL2f_Y
thelittleone 5y ago
Rapid would be great and even blitz. Both game types offer a good intersection of being ease to follow and short enough to watch entirely for a large audience.
monkey_monkey 5y ago
Is it really a spoiler? Or is it just "news"?

sleepysysadmin 5y ago

>I'm not advocating bullet but perhaps they could try 30 minute matches instead? Other time controls is already a thing. Personally a huge rapid fan. I think Fisher was right. The problem is just prep and theory. If we still have classical time but chess960 so there isn't 20 moves of theory memorized.

wadkar 5y ago

> Bit of a spoiler :( I get your sentiment but this is really exciting news in the chess community. A win after so many years!!

LeifCarrotson 5y ago
"World chess championship has win outcome in longest-ever game" would be a great headline and wouldn't contain a spoiler. Unfortunately, they're probably optimizing for views, and Magnus has a lot of name recognition.

ganeshkrishnan 5y ago

You can watch the commentary by Judith Polgar. Of all the people I enjoy watching her live commentary because she has amazing insight into best moves and explains the reasoning behind it. For few of previous matches by Magnus, she found moves that even Magnus had missed.

jpmoral 5y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crhU-pg7Rvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crhU-pg7Rvw Skip to 12:48 for the start of the commentary, 32:15 for the start of the game.
- BurningFrog 5y ago
  Note that this is 8h47m long video!
iechoz6H 5y ago
Judit Polgár [1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polg%C3%A1r https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polg%C3%A1r
- _old_dude_ 5y ago
  Every time i see her, i see Anya Taylor-Joy in the Queen Gambit ...
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
hcnews 5y ago
Yeah Judit/Anish and Judit/Surya combos have been amazing for the 6 matches so far. It helps that Judit is a Catalan player and Magnus is choosing her opening.

NewEntryHN 5y ago

This game is a counter-example of a long boring game. It was a long exciting game.

lvass 5y ago

And unfortunate choice of news outlet. As a developer, I can't help mentioning how baffling it is part of the chess community keeps using a proprietary website filled to the brim on dark patterns while a better and free as in freedom alternative is available.

dubeye 5y ago
Do you use both? I regularly use both and there is definitely some aspects that li is not better.
anoncow 5y ago
Are you referring to lichess? I second that if yes.
ajkjk 5y ago
I think that chess.com pays some people to use their website on streams, etc. Although Lichess isn't perfect and it's kinda annoying. One of the bad things about Lichess is how unrealistically inflated their ratings are; 2100 on Lichess is equivalent to about 1800 on Chess.com. Chess.com is much more similar to the FIDE rating and other real-world systems. Lichess is just super inflated for some reason and it makes it kinda hard to compare your progress to other metrics.
- aflag 5y ago
  That's not exactly true. chess.com matches closer to FIDE in the 1400-2000 range and lichess matches in the 2000+ range, whereas chess.com gets inflated in that range. All in all, they are all different systems with different player bases.
- __s 5y ago
  https://www.chessratingcomparison.com/Graphs https://www.chessratingcomparison.com/Graphs There's also https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison if you prefer a table
  - 5y ago

jacobolus 5y ago

"It was the first decisive game in the classical rounds of a world championship in over five years." I wonder if there’s some way other than time constraints to encourage higher variance moves.

bananamerica 5y ago
I'm not an expert, but, from what I can gather, every time someone suggest a solution online they're immediately countered by multiple strong and sound counter arguments.
ARandumGuy 5y ago
There are plenty of ways you could do that. But then you would be playing a completely different game, and hundreds of years of theory and strategy would be gone.
varunprasad 5y ago
The 5 year thing is misleading though. It would have been 4 years if not for COVID. And what it basically means is that there were decisive games 4 years ago, and then 2 years later (the World Chess Championship is played every 2 years), in the 2018 match between Caruana and Magnus there were no decisive games. So essentially there was 1 match with all draws during the standard chess part of the tournament. And that match was between Fabi who is regarded as one of the players with some of the greatest prep and play in standard chess, and Magnus, who is really one of the greatest players, if not the greatest, of all time.
- bjourne 5y ago
  But there were only two decisive games in the match against Karjakin. So 22 of the last 24 classical world championship games were draws (27 out of 30 if we count the current match). Even Magnus himself has said that he thinks it is a little dull.
  - matsemann 5y ago
    Even if the game today ended up with a draw after move 60,it still would have been a banger of a game. The result doesn't matter, it's how they got there.

shawnz 5y ago

Perhaps the title should be edited to remove the winner's name

Moodles 5y ago

Sorry about the spoiler :(

sillysaurusx 5y ago

You all need to watch GothamChess if games of chess seem boring :) I love Jerry, and I do watch him occasionally. But https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJl3BKA-n8&ab_channel=GothamChess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJl3BKA-n8&ab_channel=Gotha... is well done. (If you do want to watch Gotham for this particular match, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY5RSCi5pE&ab_channel=GothamChess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY5RSCi5pE&ab_channel=Gotha... starts the series, I think.)

kilburn 5y ago
and if you want to learn then you should watch Daniel Naroditsky's videos (pick the series/part that suits your level) https://www.youtube.com/c/DanielNaroditskyGM/playlists https://www.youtube.com/c/DanielNaroditskyGM/playlists He also comments frequently, and keeps his analysis understandable to my amateurish level while having better insight than Levy. Unfortunately his comment for the world championship is in the Russian channel (although he's from the US).
jstx1 5y ago
Gotham's style isn't for everyone, he can get pretty annoying. One good thing to say about him is that he really gets how beginners think and he's good at highlighting the moments of "this is what a beginner would do and this is why the really good players do something else".
- YawningAngel 5y ago
  I think Gotham's style is very oriented towards entertainment. I don't mean this as a criticism - he has successfully entertained a lot of people. But I feel like I learn more from ChessNetwork. The absolute peak for me are the recaps Peter Svidler used to record for Chess24, such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJlVjicymKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJlVjicymKI - I haven't seen such deep and insightful analysis of games anywhere else.
  - thaurelia 5y ago
    You might be right in your assumption. I've watched Tata Steel 2021 live with Peter Leko (ex WC challenger btw) and Tanya Sachdev analysing the games live without computer assistance (except eval bar sometimes but no lines) and then watched Gotham's recap the next day. The difference was obvious with Levy missing the most interesting variations and positions in the game, which is funny because he probably uses engines for these analysis videos.

tiffanyh 5y ago

+1 for Agadmator Great Youtube reviews and explanation of strategy & gameplay.

shawnz 5y ago
For those interested, his review is already online. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A8XpSCL2f_Y https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A8XpSCL2f_Y

thelittleone 5y ago

Rapid would be great and even blitz. Both game types offer a good intersection of being ease to follow and short enough to watch entirely for a large audience.

monkey_monkey 5y ago

Is it really a spoiler? Or is it just "news"?