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But those "fit, healthy" (the genuinely so, I'm not sure I even agree with the characterization for many of the mediatized cases), are OUTLIERS. Yes, you are ne

But those "fit, healthy" (the genuinely so, I'm not sure I even agree with the characterization for many of the mediatized cases), are OUTLIERS. Yes, you are never invincible, but it's 100% correct to characterize Covid as a disease of the metabolically dysfunctional. Sadly, this is a HUGE percentage of the population of the world nowadays, which seems to be the point of the article (disclaimer: in true HN tradition, I haven't read it) Traditionnal post-downvote comment: Covid affects those: - on immunosuppressant medication most often for a PREVENTABLE "lifestyle" disease - otherwise negatively affected by said disease, particularly in the vascular system, we know that Covid kills most those that have hypertension, long-term vascular damage from chronically-elevated blood sugar, etc. - nutritional deficient / malnourished (low vitamin D, absence of sunlight, etc. etc.); this is also very common

whoopdedo 5y ago
> this is a HUGE percentage of the population of the world nowadays, And thus make up a sizeable amount of COVID patients. I see nothing noteworthy here. Having a preexisting condition makes you suffer more when you contract an infectious disease. I'd expect the same things you said could be repeated for influenza, pneumonia, or anything else. For that matter, how much worse do obese patients fare when recovering from a broken leg? Are fractures then a disease of the metabolically dysfunctional, as you put it?
- lambdaba 5y ago
  What's noteworthy is *vascular* health is particularly important, thus chronically-elevated blood sugar which is *eminently* resolvable by lifestyle intervention, is the main culprit. So I don't follow your comment.
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    Jumping from vascular health to blood sugar level is a non-sequitur. There are many other aspects of vascular health. And nothing is easy about a lifestyle intervention, it is in fact one of the hardest and least likely to hold kinds of medical treatment.
    - lambdaba 5y ago
      chronically-elevated blood sugar is quite probably the #1 cause of vascular problems (heck, it's highest association is with hypertension, these go hand in hand), hypertension is itself often associated with a common magnesium deficiency (stiffness is what happens when magnesium is insufficient and calcium is overexpressed, I mean this is the basic role of magnesium in the cell, "relaxing" the contraction brought on by calcium), this is schematic and a layman view but I believe basically correct
gahn 5y ago
What lifestyle diseases are you thinking of that are commonly treated with immunosuppressants? Diseases like psoriasis and rheumatoid arthritis are commonly treated with immunosuppressants and are not considered lifestyle diseases.
- lambdaba 5y ago
  these both OFTEN have dietary triggers that are possible to discover with certain elimination diets again, I'm not here to go on long arguments while being called a loon, which I'm bound to when touching this subject sticking closer to home, tldr; I had MS, treated it with an elimination diet and other lifestyle changes, barring this intervention, I'd be on immunosuppressants but I didn't intend to make this the larger part of my argument, as the main issue is with people facing blood sugar control problems brought on by "extremely western" (sugar|processed|junk)-food-laden diets

whoopdedo 5y ago

> this is a HUGE percentage of the population of the world nowadays, And thus make up a sizeable amount of COVID patients. I see nothing noteworthy here. Having a preexisting condition makes you suffer more when you contract an infectious disease. I'd expect the same things you said could be repeated for influenza, pneumonia, or anything else. For that matter, how much worse do obese patients fare when recovering from a broken leg? Are fractures then a disease of the metabolically dysfunctional, as you put it?

lambdaba 5y ago
What's noteworthy is *vascular* health is particularly important, thus chronically-elevated blood sugar which is *eminently* resolvable by lifestyle intervention, is the main culprit. So I don't follow your comment.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  Jumping from vascular health to blood sugar level is a non-sequitur. There are many other aspects of vascular health. And nothing is easy about a lifestyle intervention, it is in fact one of the hardest and least likely to hold kinds of medical treatment.
  - lambdaba 5y ago
    chronically-elevated blood sugar is quite probably the #1 cause of vascular problems (heck, it's highest association is with hypertension, these go hand in hand), hypertension is itself often associated with a common magnesium deficiency (stiffness is what happens when magnesium is insufficient and calcium is overexpressed, I mean this is the basic role of magnesium in the cell, "relaxing" the contraction brought on by calcium), this is schematic and a layman view but I believe basically correct

gahn 5y ago

What lifestyle diseases are you thinking of that are commonly treated with immunosuppressants? Diseases like psoriasis and rheumatoid arthritis are commonly treated with immunosuppressants and are not considered lifestyle diseases.

lambdaba 5y ago
these both OFTEN have dietary triggers that are possible to discover with certain elimination diets again, I'm not here to go on long arguments while being called a loon, which I'm bound to when touching this subject sticking closer to home, tldr; I had MS, treated it with an elimination diet and other lifestyle changes, barring this intervention, I'd be on immunosuppressants but I didn't intend to make this the larger part of my argument, as the main issue is with people facing blood sugar control problems brought on by "extremely western" (sugar|processed|junk)-food-laden diets