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What do they say when confronted with the fact that Asians are the top performers in this system?

logicalmonster 5y ago
I’m curious for both an accurate and/or socially acceptable explanation too. Some have suggested racism is cause for inequality, yet Asians do well in America where they’re a small minority. Some have suggested culture: certain parents promote education more. Some have suggested examining IQ more closely (though thinking along these lines is a doubleplusungood thought crime)
- popcube 5y ago
  if only talk about People lived in region controled by Qing Dynasty, education give you more power just theeir religion
- viro 5y ago
  oh on avg. they completely dismiss it based on current immigration policy self selecting rich Asian families. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- akomtu 5y ago
  There's a trivial explanation. If you're Chinese, you gotta be really smart, the top 1% smart, to immigrate into the US. This is also why Nigerian immigrants do so well here. The original European immigrants passed a similar test, as it takes a lot of courage and ambition to move across the ocean in a big wooden boat. But as you know the history, on one occasion, the admission process was violated, and since then America has been paying the price. The price has to be paid in full, for every cause has to be compensated with a result. Call it nation-scale karma, if you want.
  - porknubbins 5y ago
    This argument that populations only send their best to the US may be true today now that immigration is limited and there are large populations of well educated foreigners but its not true for large parts of American history. Most immigration is from the poorest regions- ie Irish during the potato famine, Sicilian Italians, Cantonese from China, Germans in the 19th C, to some extent the Scotch-Irish (well educated but poor) etc.
  - skyde 5y ago
    so you are saying those kid have educated parent therefore the kid will get more help from parent doing homework.. or that the kid inherit good DNA so probably also have high IQ like their parent ?
  - spurgu 5y ago
    So it is due to IQ.
  - zepto 5y ago
    > If you're Chinese, you gotta be really smart, the top 1% smart, to immigrate into the US. Ridiculous. There are long established Chinese communities in the US who came over to be railroad laborers. Why would they somehow be in the top 1% smart?
    - chongli 5y ago
      From 1860 to 2016 the number of Asian Americans increased from 34,000 to over 20,000,000, according to U.S. census data [1]. The vast majority of that increase took place since 1950, which only recorded a population of 300,000. Those long established Chinese families represent a tiny minority of Asian American university students. The vast majority are international students or first generation immigrants. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_American...
      - kaitai 5y ago
        Moreover, Asian American immigrants encompass groups as diverse as Vietnamese and Hmong and Cambodian immigrants fleeing war and persecution, Chinese graduate students coming to study astrophysics and staying, and Filipino immigrants coming to work in healthcare. The educational outcomes of these groups are quite diverse; in fact if you are one of eight children living in poverty with illiterate parents you don't just magically do well in school because of your Asian heritage. If you want some vivid illustrations of divergent Asian American trajectories in the US, check out tensions around the Siskiyou fire...
      - zepto 5y ago
        > Those long established Chinese families represent a tiny minority of Asian American university students. I’m sure it doesn’t help that admissions discriminate against them because they look similar to the international students and first generation immigrants.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > There are long established Chinese communities in the US who came over to be railroad laborers. Descendants of those people are a tiny part of the Asian population (though probably formed an important part of the initial cultural support network for later immigrants, at least those settling in the area where those earlier groups were concentrated.)
6f4f06c00484d34 5y ago
then they revoke Asians' minority status, see "BIPOC" and racial quotas for college admissions
tooltalk 5y ago
In NYC, according NYC's mayor deBlasio and his racist former-DOE Chancellor, Asians are "white-adjacent" and are often bundled along with "rich white" when it's convenient for them to ignore Asians. Asians make up about 20% of NYC's public school, but they are the poorest ethnic group in NYC. I'm curious how it's handled in California, considering that Asian's votes taken a bit more seriously.

I’m curious for both an accurate and/or socially acceptable explanation too. Some have suggested racism is cause for inequality, yet Asians do well in America where they’re a small minority. Some have suggested culture: certain parents promote education more. Some have suggested examining IQ more closely (though thinking along these lines is a doubleplusungood thought crime)

popcube 5y ago
if only talk about People lived in region controled by Qing Dynasty, education give you more power just theeir religion
viro 5y ago
oh on avg. they completely dismiss it based on current immigration policy self selecting rich Asian families. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
akomtu 5y ago
There's a trivial explanation. If you're Chinese, you gotta be really smart, the top 1% smart, to immigrate into the US. This is also why Nigerian immigrants do so well here. The original European immigrants passed a similar test, as it takes a lot of courage and ambition to move across the ocean in a big wooden boat. But as you know the history, on one occasion, the admission process was violated, and since then America has been paying the price. The price has to be paid in full, for every cause has to be compensated with a result. Call it nation-scale karma, if you want.
- porknubbins 5y ago
  This argument that populations only send their best to the US may be true today now that immigration is limited and there are large populations of well educated foreigners but its not true for large parts of American history. Most immigration is from the poorest regions- ie Irish during the potato famine, Sicilian Italians, Cantonese from China, Germans in the 19th C, to some extent the Scotch-Irish (well educated but poor) etc.
- skyde 5y ago
  so you are saying those kid have educated parent therefore the kid will get more help from parent doing homework.. or that the kid inherit good DNA so probably also have high IQ like their parent ?
- spurgu 5y ago
  So it is due to IQ.
- zepto 5y ago
  > If you're Chinese, you gotta be really smart, the top 1% smart, to immigrate into the US. Ridiculous. There are long established Chinese communities in the US who came over to be railroad laborers. Why would they somehow be in the top 1% smart?
  - chongli 5y ago
    From 1860 to 2016 the number of Asian Americans increased from 34,000 to over 20,000,000, according to U.S. census data [1]. The vast majority of that increase took place since 1950, which only recorded a population of 300,000. Those long established Chinese families represent a tiny minority of Asian American university students. The vast majority are international students or first generation immigrants. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_American...
    - kaitai 5y ago
      Moreover, Asian American immigrants encompass groups as diverse as Vietnamese and Hmong and Cambodian immigrants fleeing war and persecution, Chinese graduate students coming to study astrophysics and staying, and Filipino immigrants coming to work in healthcare. The educational outcomes of these groups are quite diverse; in fact if you are one of eight children living in poverty with illiterate parents you don't just magically do well in school because of your Asian heritage. If you want some vivid illustrations of divergent Asian American trajectories in the US, check out tensions around the Siskiyou fire...
    - zepto 5y ago
      > Those long established Chinese families represent a tiny minority of Asian American university students. I’m sure it doesn’t help that admissions discriminate against them because they look similar to the international students and first generation immigrants.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > There are long established Chinese communities in the US who came over to be railroad laborers. Descendants of those people are a tiny part of the Asian population (though probably formed an important part of the initial cultural support network for later immigrants, at least those settling in the area where those earlier groups were concentrated.)

6f4f06c00484d34 5y ago

then they revoke Asians' minority status, see "BIPOC" and racial quotas for college admissions

tooltalk 5y ago

In NYC, according NYC's mayor deBlasio and his racist former-DOE Chancellor, Asians are "white-adjacent" and are often bundled along with "rich white" when it's convenient for them to ignore Asians. Asians make up about 20% of NYC's public school, but they are the poorest ethnic group in NYC. I'm curious how it's handled in California, considering that Asian's votes taken a bit more seriously.