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The "oh, but everyone is doing it!" argument. I don't for a second believe that other countries install spyware on foreign diplomats and other peoples phones. W
by bjourne 5y ago
The "oh, but everyone is doing it!" argument. I don't for a second believe that other countries install spyware on foreign diplomats and other peoples phones. What NSO and the Israeli government is doing is rotten to the core and unless you have evidence of the contrary you cannot assert that other actors are doing the same thing.
- jimbob45 5y agoI know you're joking but for anyone that's not in on the joke: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24690055 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24690055
- bjourne 5y agoWow! You found one instance of the US spying on a friendly government. That totally justifies NSO leasing spyware to authoritarian third world regimes! Carry on folks, nothing to see here.
- smoldesu 5y agoIt doesn't justify it, but if we're going to take a stance against spyware, we have to take a stance against all spyware. That includes the home-rolled stuff that the NSA pushes out to Apple and Google.
- triactual 5y agoNo, we don’t.
- ngcc_hk 5y agoTotally agree. There is a difference still between totalitarian countries against its own people with no theoretical way out even, vs USA that still have some way out.
- smoldesu 5y agoWhat makes that kind of hypocrisy okay?
- refurb 5y agoPolitics is not about fairness or the truth, it all about getting people to buy the ideas your selling.
- Thorncorona 5y agoIt seems if Israel is receiving money from the US government and Israel controls the usage of NSO group weapons that are being targeted at the American government then there are problems yea?
- seoaeu 5y agoPresumably no bigger problems than arose when the US wiretapped the Israeli prime minister’s phone…
- smoldesu 5y agoIt's a catch-22. Telling other countries not to spy on us while we happily spy on others is a double standard.
- refurb 5y agoYou’re taking this all too literally. It’s politics, it’s all a performance. When France was “angry” about Australia buying US nuclear subs and canceling their French contract do you really think that was real? It’s all for show, just like being “angry” at another country spying on you. You do something like “kick out their embassy employees”, then turn around and let new ones come in.
- GekkePrutser 5y agoYeah I think France was pretty pissed actually. There was no need to just do this for show. Most members of the public don't care about submarine deals. It doesn't make their government more popular.
- motohagiography 5y agoDude, the "state department" is blaming Israel because they're just embarassed your guys got owned by Uganda.
- Sebguer 5y agoWait, you were actually being serious? How about this one: https://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/219058 https://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-document... / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spying_on_United_Nations_leaders_by_United_States_diplomats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spying_on_United_Nations_leade...