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We all know what initiatives like California's leads to. Parents from middle to upper class families will send their kids to private schools or invest in extrac

We all know what initiatives like California's leads to. Parents from middle to upper class families will send their kids to private schools or invest in extracurricular math programs. This will be especially true in immigrant and tech-worker parents who know the value of a strong STEM education. Only people who suffer will be kids from families without the means or the desire to go beyond public education - most likely the same people that these initiatives purport to help.

nouveaux 5y ago
"We all know what initiatives like California's leads to. Parents from middle to upper class families will send their kids to private schools or invest in extracurricular math programs." Are you saying it's not happening now?
- julienb_sea 5y ago
  Whether or not it's happening now, doesn't preclude opposition to policy choices that actively accelerate the process. People with money and wherewithal are always going to have alternative options available to them, such as private education or moving to expensive neighborhoods with strong schools. The problem is when public school policy results in actual degradation of education for everyone else.
- twblalock 5y ago
  A lot of high-earning parents in California send their children to public schools, and they are willing to pay extra money to buy homes in the best school districts in order to do so. School district quality has a significant impact on home values in California, and that wouldn't be the case if the majority of high earners sent their kids to private schools.
908B64B197 5y ago
> This will be especially true in immigrant and tech-worker parents who know the value of a strong STEM education. Only people who suffer will be kids from families without the means or the desire to go beyond public education - most likely the same people that these initiatives purport to help. Short term schools like Lowell are switching from using test score to a lottery based admission. And so are UC schools! So the smart kid interested in learning but who doesn't have parents in tech to send him to private tutoring better be lucky at the lottery or have the correct "holistic" attributes his target school will admit on!
astrange 5y ago
What value is there in a strong STEM education? A weak one might be fine too. Just because tiger moms think there is one doesn't mean there is. You'd have to believe students actually remember or use everything they learn in class, vs it being signalling you're conscientious enough to do the homework.
- the_optimist 5y ago
  Here's a little paper on just this: - STEM education is associated with better problem-solving capability - better problem-solving capability leads to higher earnings - higher earnings (to a point) lead to greater happiness https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED531752.pdf https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED531752.pdf
itronitron 5y ago
Just do Khan Academy for Math, they have very succinct and clear math education videos. IXL is also very good for practice.

nouveaux 5y ago

"We all know what initiatives like California's leads to. Parents from middle to upper class families will send their kids to private schools or invest in extracurricular math programs." Are you saying it's not happening now?

julienb_sea 5y ago
Whether or not it's happening now, doesn't preclude opposition to policy choices that actively accelerate the process. People with money and wherewithal are always going to have alternative options available to them, such as private education or moving to expensive neighborhoods with strong schools. The problem is when public school policy results in actual degradation of education for everyone else.
twblalock 5y ago
A lot of high-earning parents in California send their children to public schools, and they are willing to pay extra money to buy homes in the best school districts in order to do so. School district quality has a significant impact on home values in California, and that wouldn't be the case if the majority of high earners sent their kids to private schools.

908B64B197 5y ago

> This will be especially true in immigrant and tech-worker parents who know the value of a strong STEM education. Only people who suffer will be kids from families without the means or the desire to go beyond public education - most likely the same people that these initiatives purport to help. Short term schools like Lowell are switching from using test score to a lottery based admission. And so are UC schools! So the smart kid interested in learning but who doesn't have parents in tech to send him to private tutoring better be lucky at the lottery or have the correct "holistic" attributes his target school will admit on!

astrange 5y ago

What value is there in a strong STEM education? A weak one might be fine too. Just because tiger moms think there is one doesn't mean there is. You'd have to believe students actually remember or use everything they learn in class, vs it being signalling you're conscientious enough to do the homework.

the_optimist 5y ago
Here's a little paper on just this: - STEM education is associated with better problem-solving capability - better problem-solving capability leads to higher earnings - higher earnings (to a point) lead to greater happiness https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED531752.pdf https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED531752.pdf

itronitron 5y ago

Just do Khan Academy for Math, they have very succinct and clear math education videos. IXL is also very good for practice.