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Israel is ostensibly a Western ally, yet they sell weapons that are used to attack Western nations and their citizens. Can you see why some people might conside

by Tronno 5y ago

Israel is ostensibly a Western ally, yet they sell weapons that are used to attack Western nations and their citizens. Can you see why some people might consider that a problem? Your accusations of anti-semitism are unwelcome and without merit.

mola 5y ago
Uganda is not a US enemy. NSO is a disgusting money grab and a threat for democracies. But, they never sold to any nation which is a US enemy. Uganda is not a US enemy. Israeli government, which grants the export licenses is not that dumb. Allies spy on eachother all the time. that's a given any sovreign state knows and takes into account.
ryneandal 5y ago
There are also numerous instances of their intelligence forces spying on us, an ally. - https://apnews.com/article/israel-jonathan-pollard-espionage-united-states-37bc3324e69faba12aad551a4c1585a4 https://apnews.com/article/israel-jonathan-pollard-espionage... - https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/12/israel-white-house-spying-devices-1491351 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/12/israel-white-house...
- xxpor 5y ago
  Everyone spies on everyone, no one is actually shocked by that. The US does it too (see the interception of Angela Merkel's phone calls...) The key is you don't get caught doing it, because it removes plausible deniability.
  - ryanlol 5y ago
    The important detail is to not get caught publicly, generally nobody will raise a stink if western counterintel catches spies from a friendly state.
montblanc 5y ago
You are being a demagogue here. It's 8 phones that were hacked, by someone in Uganda - a friendly country to the U.S, with NSO probably not knowing and Israel as a state definitely not knowing. Was any of the 8 Americans harmed physically btw? I don't care if it's unwelcome to you...I call it as I see it and you're not doing a great job convincing me otherwise.
- bjourne 5y ago
  Since you are a two month-old account whose comment majority is about defending NSO, it may not be easy to convince you.
  - montblanc 5y ago
    I dont really give a crap about NSO.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      > I dont really give a crap about NSO. Then why -- assuming for the moment that the GP is correct -- is the majority of your comments about defending them?
      - montblanc 5y ago
        I have a problem with the demonization of Israel going on.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        Funny, the rest of us are "demonizing" evil spyware and the evil military-industrial complex that uses it. If you see that as "demonizing Israel", that must mean that for you Israel is synonymous with evil spyware and the military-industrial complex. The rest of us can see that they're two different things. Why do you have such a negative view of Israel; isnt that a bit anti-Semitic?

by Tronno 5y ago

mola 5y ago

Uganda is not a US enemy. NSO is a disgusting money grab and a threat for democracies. But, they never sold to any nation which is a US enemy. Uganda is not a US enemy. Israeli government, which grants the export licenses is not that dumb. Allies spy on eachother all the time. that's a given any sovreign state knows and takes into account.

ryneandal 5y ago

There are also numerous instances of their intelligence forces spying on us, an ally. - https://apnews.com/article/israel-jonathan-pollard-espionage-united-states-37bc3324e69faba12aad551a4c1585a4 https://apnews.com/article/israel-jonathan-pollard-espionage... - https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/12/israel-white-house-spying-devices-1491351 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/12/israel-white-house...

xxpor 5y ago
Everyone spies on everyone, no one is actually shocked by that. The US does it too (see the interception of Angela Merkel's phone calls...) The key is you don't get caught doing it, because it removes plausible deniability.
- ryanlol 5y ago
  The important detail is to not get caught publicly, generally nobody will raise a stink if western counterintel catches spies from a friendly state.

montblanc 5y ago

You are being a demagogue here. It's 8 phones that were hacked, by someone in Uganda - a friendly country to the U.S, with NSO probably not knowing and Israel as a state definitely not knowing. Was any of the 8 Americans harmed physically btw? I don't care if it's unwelcome to you...I call it as I see it and you're not doing a great job convincing me otherwise.

bjourne 5y ago
Since you are a two month-old account whose comment majority is about defending NSO, it may not be easy to convince you.
- montblanc 5y ago
  I dont really give a crap about NSO.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > I dont really give a crap about NSO. Then why -- assuming for the moment that the GP is correct -- is the majority of your comments about defending them?
    - montblanc 5y ago
      I have a problem with the demonization of Israel going on.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        Funny, the rest of us are "demonizing" evil spyware and the evil military-industrial complex that uses it. If you see that as "demonizing Israel", that must mean that for you Israel is synonymous with evil spyware and the military-industrial complex. The rest of us can see that they're two different things. Why do you have such a negative view of Israel; isnt that a bit anti-Semitic?