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See "Modern usage" in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education "The modern use of the term li

See "Modern usage" in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education "The modern use of the term liberal arts consists of four areas: the natural sciences, social sciences, arts, and humanities." So no, math is not "generally thought" to be part of the liberal arts.

etchalon 5y ago
So you're of the belief that Physics, which is considered a natural science, does not require "math"? Interesting.
- imoverclocked 5y ago
  I had two different Physics teachers/classes in high school. One was almost entirely conceptual and provided a fantastic base with which to reason about the world. Everything was explained completely without math and then a little bit of math (usually no higher than basic algebra) was used to describe what we had just developed to fulfill basic requirements of the curriculum. People had wonderful conversations about how things worked and understanding was developed from observation and intuition. The other was almost completely the opposite direction and calculus based. I often found errors in the application of math and reasoning about the subject. There was a moment where the teacher couldn't be convinced that something he said was wrong because of the math he was looking at. Years later, in a college Physics course, a similar core concept was covered and I was internally vindicated. Einstein/Feynman were known to be highly conceptual and the math was often worked out after a thought experiment. A famous quote by Einstein, "Do not worry too much about your difficulties in mathematics, I can assure you that mine are still greater." It all depends on how it is taught. All of that being said, Mathematics is an excellent tool to sharpen ones ability to reason.
caconym_ 5y ago
If you read the whole "Modern usage" section rather than just the first line, you will see that mathematics is listed prominently there (and also logic, CS, physics, etc...).
MrsPeaches 5y ago
It then goes on to say: Academic areas that are associated with the term liberal arts include: Life sciences (biology, ecology, neuroscience) Physical science (physics, astronomy, chemistry, physical geography) Logic, mathematics, statistics, computer science Philosophy History Social science (anthropology, economics, human geography, linguistics, political science, jurisprudence, psychology, and sociology) Creative arts (fine arts, music, performing arts, literature)
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aaaaaaaaaaab 5y ago
How can you do natural sciences without math?
blibble 5y ago
there is little science without mathematics

etchalon 5y ago

So you're of the belief that Physics, which is considered a natural science, does not require "math"? Interesting.

imoverclocked 5y ago
I had two different Physics teachers/classes in high school. One was almost entirely conceptual and provided a fantastic base with which to reason about the world. Everything was explained completely without math and then a little bit of math (usually no higher than basic algebra) was used to describe what we had just developed to fulfill basic requirements of the curriculum. People had wonderful conversations about how things worked and understanding was developed from observation and intuition. The other was almost completely the opposite direction and calculus based. I often found errors in the application of math and reasoning about the subject. There was a moment where the teacher couldn't be convinced that something he said was wrong because of the math he was looking at. Years later, in a college Physics course, a similar core concept was covered and I was internally vindicated. Einstein/Feynman were known to be highly conceptual and the math was often worked out after a thought experiment. A famous quote by Einstein, "Do not worry too much about your difficulties in mathematics, I can assure you that mine are still greater." It all depends on how it is taught. All of that being said, Mathematics is an excellent tool to sharpen ones ability to reason.

caconym_ 5y ago

If you read the whole "Modern usage" section rather than just the first line, you will see that mathematics is listed prominently there (and also logic, CS, physics, etc...).

MrsPeaches 5y ago

It then goes on to say: Academic areas that are associated with the term liberal arts include: Life sciences (biology, ecology, neuroscience) Physical science (physics, astronomy, chemistry, physical geography) Logic, mathematics, statistics, computer science Philosophy History Social science (anthropology, economics, human geography, linguistics, political science, jurisprudence, psychology, and sociology) Creative arts (fine arts, music, performing arts, literature)

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aaaaaaaaaaab 5y ago

How can you do natural sciences without math?

blibble 5y ago

there is little science without mathematics