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Why are you conflating Israel (a state) and NSO (a fully private company, owned by American private equity at some point)?

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Why are you conflating Israel (a state) and NSO (a fully private company, owned by American private equity at some point)? Because Jerusalem has the power to stop, or at the very least regulate, NSO.
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ignoramous 5y ago
The Israeli Ministry of Defense licenses the export of Pegasus to foreign governments, but not to private entities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSO_Group#Pegasus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSO_Group#Pegasus
- flyinglizard 5y ago
  These export controls for weapons exist in much of the western world. Once granted a license, Israel has no legal say in how the product is used by the end user. It’s all very routine and standard, not sure why people need basic explanations of what government export regulation is when the discussion is on Israel.
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  - thekid314 5y ago
    It goes much deeper than that. For a while now Israel has been using NSO as an incentive for foreign relations with authoritarian regimes. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/20/pegasus-project-turns-spotlight-on-spyware-firm-nso-ties-to-israeli-state https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/20/pegasus-projec... https://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/foreign-policy-playlist/how-israeli-diplomacy-paved-the-way-for-nso-deals/ https://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/foreign-policy-playlist/h... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/world/middleeast/nso-israel-palestinians-spyware.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/world/middleeast/nso-isra... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-nso-blacklisting-shows-israel-s-cyber-diplomacy-is-a-double-edged-sword-1.10353505 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/.premium.HIGHL... https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/how-israel-used-nso-spyware-as-diplomatic-calling-card-1.4626705 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/how-israel... https://www.ft.com/content/24f22b28-56d1-4d66-8f76-c9020b1b5cb1 https://www.ft.com/content/24f22b28-56d1-4d66-8f76-c9020b1b5... https://www.jpost.com/jpost-tech/what-does-the-nso-hacking-scandal-mean-for-israels-cyber-diplomacy-675982 https://www.jpost.com/jpost-tech/what-does-the-nso-hacking-s...
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JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> Why are you conflating Israel (a state) and NSO (a fully private company, owned by American private equity at some point)? Because Jerusalem has the power to stop, or at the very least regulate, NSO.

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ignoramous 5y ago

The Israeli Ministry of Defense licenses the export of Pegasus to foreign governments, but not to private entities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSO_Group#Pegasus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSO_Group#Pegasus

flyinglizard 5y ago
These export controls for weapons exist in much of the western world. Once granted a license, Israel has no legal say in how the product is used by the end user. It’s all very routine and standard, not sure why people need basic explanations of what government export regulation is when the discussion is on Israel.
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- thekid314 5y ago
  It goes much deeper than that. For a while now Israel has been using NSO as an incentive for foreign relations with authoritarian regimes. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/20/pegasus-project-turns-spotlight-on-spyware-firm-nso-ties-to-israeli-state https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/20/pegasus-projec... https://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/foreign-policy-playlist/how-israeli-diplomacy-paved-the-way-for-nso-deals/ https://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/foreign-policy-playlist/h... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/world/middleeast/nso-israel-palestinians-spyware.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/world/middleeast/nso-isra... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-nso-blacklisting-shows-israel-s-cyber-diplomacy-is-a-double-edged-sword-1.10353505 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/.premium.HIGHL... https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/how-israel-used-nso-spyware-as-diplomatic-calling-card-1.4626705 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/how-israel... https://www.ft.com/content/24f22b28-56d1-4d66-8f76-c9020b1b5cb1 https://www.ft.com/content/24f22b28-56d1-4d66-8f76-c9020b1b5... https://www.jpost.com/jpost-tech/what-does-the-nso-hacking-scandal-mean-for-israels-cyber-diplomacy-675982 https://www.jpost.com/jpost-tech/what-does-the-nso-hacking-s...

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