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How do you both enable decentralize journalism and curve the spread of misinformation without measures like these?

horns4lyfe 5y ago
Misinformation will always be subject to whoever happens to be in power. If you want journalism to be centralized and condoned by some authority , then say so, because those two goals aren’t compatible.
Buttersite 5y ago
education?
willcipriano 5y ago
Seems like you need to check your priors. Either you want decentralized citizen-led journalism or you want to be free from what the establishment deems to be 'misinformation'. Due to human nature 'misinformation' is largely going to be whatever threatens establishment power, so 'misinformation' ends up being almost all decentralized citizen-led journalism in practice. "You can do journalism, as long as it isn't controversial"
- ehutch79 5y ago
  Soooo... things like "5g towers cause covid" should be allowed?
  - bad_username 5y ago
    Yes, yes they should be allowed. They should be mocked and argued with, but they should be allowed. Banning these things is the worst method of dealing with them, for many important reasons that frankly should be obvious.
  - willcipriano 5y ago
    You can get rid of "5g towers cause covid" but you also get rid of the Snowden leaks at the same time. I'd argue the value of the latter is worth the cost of the former.
    - ehutch79 5y ago
      but the snowden stuff isn't untrue
      - willcipriano 5y ago
        The government said it was false when it first came out. Today they say "it was the Russians!". For you to be the arbiter of truth, first you must need a universal source of truth, no such thing exists.
        ehutch79 5y ago
        But it's independently verifiable though. Snowden could show evidence. There's a gap between what you're talking about and 'misinformation' like 'vaccines cause autism', '5g towers cause covid' (which people actually tried burning down towers because of), 'pizzagate', 'jewish space lasers are causing california wildfires', etc These are objectively false things being presented as truth. which even then is a lot different than leaks that can be correlated
        willcipriano 5y ago
        If they are so obviously false why are you concerned? Here are some other things that were "obviously false" and censored as misinformation by tech companies this year: Hunter Bidens laptop Wuhan gain of function research and the possibility of a lab leak Kyle Rittenhouse acting in self defense
        ehutch79 5y ago
        How was any of that censored? I definitely have seen all that. One of those is actually a major trial that had coverage all over any platform.
        willcipriano 5y ago
        Rittenhouse: "Facebook announced Wednesday that it will no longer block search results for “Kyle Rittenhouse” and will no longer remove posts praising his actions. Following an incident in August 2020 in which Rittenhouse shot three individuals in self-defense, killing two of them, Facebook initially blocked search results for Rittenhouse’s name and removed posts supporting him, explaining that the incident was a “mass murder” and that Rittenhouse was placed on Facebook’s “dangerous individuals and organizations” list."[0] Biden laptop: "Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey acknowledged during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Tuesday that the social media giant was wrong to block New York Post tweets about Hunter Biden in the run-up to the Nov. 3 election."[1] Lab leak: "Facebook will no longer remove posts referencing the origination theory that COVID escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, a company spokesperson told Politico Wednesday. This step marks a policy reversal from February, when Facebook announced it would root out what it called false and misleading health claims including those suggesting that “COVID-19 is man-made or manufactured.” The tech company maintained a list of debunked assertions during the pandemic in consultation with global health advisers."[2] [0]https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/facebook-will-no-longer-censor-search-results-posts-praising-kyle-rittenhouse/ar-AARmY6q https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/facebook-will-no-longe... [1]https://www.westernjournal.com/twitter-ceo-admits-censoring-hunter-biden-story-wrong/ https://www.westernjournal.com/twitter-ceo-admits-censoring-... [2]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/facebook-lifts-ban-on-wuhan-lab-leak-posts-amid-renewed-debate-over-theory/ar-AAKq24i https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/facebook-lifts-ban-o...
bigyellow 5y ago
Seeing as how most misinformation is actually coming from centralized "journalism" sources these days, I'd say this is hardly a concern.

Misinformation will always be subject to whoever happens to be in power. If you want journalism to be centralized and condoned by some authority , then say so, because those two goals aren’t compatible.

Buttersite 5y ago

education?

willcipriano 5y ago

Seems like you need to check your priors. Either you want decentralized citizen-led journalism or you want to be free from what the establishment deems to be 'misinformation'. Due to human nature 'misinformation' is largely going to be whatever threatens establishment power, so 'misinformation' ends up being almost all decentralized citizen-led journalism in practice. "You can do journalism, as long as it isn't controversial"

ehutch79 5y ago
Soooo... things like "5g towers cause covid" should be allowed?
- bad_username 5y ago
  Yes, yes they should be allowed. They should be mocked and argued with, but they should be allowed. Banning these things is the worst method of dealing with them, for many important reasons that frankly should be obvious.
- willcipriano 5y ago
  You can get rid of "5g towers cause covid" but you also get rid of the Snowden leaks at the same time. I'd argue the value of the latter is worth the cost of the former.
  - ehutch79 5y ago
    but the snowden stuff isn't untrue
    - willcipriano 5y ago
      The government said it was false when it first came out. Today they say "it was the Russians!". For you to be the arbiter of truth, first you must need a universal source of truth, no such thing exists.
      - ehutch79 5y ago
        But it's independently verifiable though. Snowden could show evidence. There's a gap between what you're talking about and 'misinformation' like 'vaccines cause autism', '5g towers cause covid' (which people actually tried burning down towers because of), 'pizzagate', 'jewish space lasers are causing california wildfires', etc These are objectively false things being presented as truth. which even then is a lot different than leaks that can be correlated
        willcipriano 5y ago
        If they are so obviously false why are you concerned? Here are some other things that were "obviously false" and censored as misinformation by tech companies this year: Hunter Bidens laptop Wuhan gain of function research and the possibility of a lab leak Kyle Rittenhouse acting in self defense
        ehutch79 5y ago
        How was any of that censored? I definitely have seen all that. One of those is actually a major trial that had coverage all over any platform.
        willcipriano 5y ago
        Rittenhouse: "Facebook announced Wednesday that it will no longer block search results for “Kyle Rittenhouse” and will no longer remove posts praising his actions. Following an incident in August 2020 in which Rittenhouse shot three individuals in self-defense, killing two of them, Facebook initially blocked search results for Rittenhouse’s name and removed posts supporting him, explaining that the incident was a “mass murder” and that Rittenhouse was placed on Facebook’s “dangerous individuals and organizations” list."[0] Biden laptop: "Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey acknowledged during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Tuesday that the social media giant was wrong to block New York Post tweets about Hunter Biden in the run-up to the Nov. 3 election."[1] Lab leak: "Facebook will no longer remove posts referencing the origination theory that COVID escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, a company spokesperson told Politico Wednesday. This step marks a policy reversal from February, when Facebook announced it would root out what it called false and misleading health claims including those suggesting that “COVID-19 is man-made or manufactured.” The tech company maintained a list of debunked assertions during the pandemic in consultation with global health advisers."[2] [0]https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/facebook-will-no-longer-censor-search-results-posts-praising-kyle-rittenhouse/ar-AARmY6q https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/facebook-will-no-longe... [1]https://www.westernjournal.com/twitter-ceo-admits-censoring-hunter-biden-story-wrong/ https://www.westernjournal.com/twitter-ceo-admits-censoring-... [2]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/facebook-lifts-ban-on-wuhan-lab-leak-posts-amid-renewed-debate-over-theory/ar-AAKq24i https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/facebook-lifts-ban-o...

bigyellow 5y ago

Seeing as how most misinformation is actually coming from centralized "journalism" sources these days, I'd say this is hardly a concern.