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My very real problem of being trapped in a car while being attacked a bear?!?!

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infogulch 5y ago
Picking out one particular extreme case and making fun of it is a pretty good technique in a debate, but it rather misses the point in an authentic conversation. The point is that the sum total of all exceptional use-cases for cars (including, but not limited to running from bears) is actually large enough in practice that this kind of rule may not be worth its opportunity cost.
- Steltek 5y ago
  If we eliminate drunk driving (10k deaths per year, many more injured) in exchange for every single person in those fantastical scenarios dying, lives will be saved by many orders of magnitude. And that's granting that your drunk pregnant wife trapped in a blizzard wildfire with grizzly bears scenario actually happens.
  - vanilla_nut 5y ago
    Snowstorms happen across a lot of the USA for a good 3-4 months a year. If stop/start/slow/slide driving in winter conditions kills your car, you could wind up killing way more than 10k people, either through exposure, or because a snowplow or another vehicle didn’t see the killswitched, snow-covered car and rammed right into it. I like living in snowy places. I could see this being a real problem, just like snowy conditions mean self-driving won’t work for me for many years in my only vehicle.
  - scohesc 5y ago
    I tell my car how it drives. Not a computer. I don't want a computer making the decision as to whether I can drive the car I paid for or not. Maybe when society finally makes its final swirl down the toilet and we're finally not allowed to use private vehicles on public infrastructure, being forced to use government/corporate sponsored vehicles - maybe then they can tell me how to use _THEIR_ vehicle.
    - GekkePrutser 5y ago
      Well this is where they want it to go in the long run indeed. "You will own nothing and you will be happy". In this case something like Car As A Service.

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Picking out one particular extreme case and making fun of it is a pretty good technique in a debate, but it rather misses the point in an authentic conversation. The point is that the sum total of all exceptional use-cases for cars (including, but not limited to running from bears) is actually large enough in practice that this kind of rule may not be worth its opportunity cost.

Steltek 5y ago
If we eliminate drunk driving (10k deaths per year, many more injured) in exchange for every single person in those fantastical scenarios dying, lives will be saved by many orders of magnitude. And that's granting that your drunk pregnant wife trapped in a blizzard wildfire with grizzly bears scenario actually happens.
- vanilla_nut 5y ago
  Snowstorms happen across a lot of the USA for a good 3-4 months a year. If stop/start/slow/slide driving in winter conditions kills your car, you could wind up killing way more than 10k people, either through exposure, or because a snowplow or another vehicle didn’t see the killswitched, snow-covered car and rammed right into it. I like living in snowy places. I could see this being a real problem, just like snowy conditions mean self-driving won’t work for me for many years in my only vehicle.
- scohesc 5y ago
  I tell my car how it drives. Not a computer. I don't want a computer making the decision as to whether I can drive the car I paid for or not. Maybe when society finally makes its final swirl down the toilet and we're finally not allowed to use private vehicles on public infrastructure, being forced to use government/corporate sponsored vehicles - maybe then they can tell me how to use _THEIR_ vehicle.
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    Well this is where they want it to go in the long run indeed. "You will own nothing and you will be happy". In this case something like Car As A Service.