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I would not call that abuse free, though. Sometimes it is quite frustrating to get things working on Linux.
by k8sToGo 5y ago
I would not call that abuse free, though. Sometimes it is quite frustrating to get things working on Linux.
- hulitu 5y agoAt least in Linux you get them working. In windows you enjoy the breakage.
- hvgk 5y agoTo be fair hardware and driver problems never bothered me on windows. They mostly just worked and stayed working. Apart from printers which are a shit show.
- vetinari 5y agoI see you never tried Intel ANS for VLAN or link aggregation support ;).
- hvgk 5y agoDo you have to install the drivers again every time you need to use the network? That’s where I got to with my Laserjet pro on windows 10. I usually just printed it to a PDF and emailed it to my phone and printed it from there rather than fix it.
- fsflover 5y agoIf you choose supported hardware, it will get much better (just like with Windows or MacOS).
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoLinux often has problems working with software too. It's great if you like using a Linux Desktop man, but don't pretend like there aren't any problems over there the same as there is in any OS.
- fsflover 5y agoI didn't say it would be perfect. Software problems obviously depend on which software you are using (and how).
- ajvs 5y agoThe parent comment however is correct - it's not abusive, instead sometimes incompatible or buggy.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoI think that's a bit debatable actually, but I will concede that it isn't abusive in the same way that Microsoft is.
- gjsman-1000 5y agoDoes it? I've seen people get System76s in 2021 and still have problems.
- fsflover 5y agoWhich problems? Everything is flawless on my Librem 15.
- gjsman-1000 5y agoLibrem 15 is Purism, not System76.
- Mikeb85 5y agoThings like what? I've been running Ubuntu with absolutely no issues for like 13 years. I did my entire university education with an Ubuntu laptop. I'm curious how people are having 'issues'? Do they constantly mess with things? Buy super obscure hardware?
- hvgk 5y agoI bought an officially supported and qualified laptop as recommended by canonical and the GPU drivers shit the bed at least two times an hour. Power management didn’t work. The battery got shitcanned after an hour. Just no. Lenovo T495 for reference.
- formerly_proven 5y ago> Warning: Currently this device does not work well under Linux. Please see known issues for unresolved AMDGPU drm bugs in the LTS 5.4.x kernel and more recent kernels such as 5.12.x.
- hvgk 5y agoExactly. That wasn’t specified when I bought it. It’s a regression.
- fsflover 5y agoAre you saying that regressions only occur on Linux?
- formerly_proven 5y agoIs it actually a regression or did it never really work in the first place? Hardware manufacturers are in my experience pretty unreliable sources when it comes to compatibility and I've had my fair share of issues even with 100% unmodified straight-from-the-factory machines regardless of OS. Edit: I also 'member Dell shipping some of their XPS laptops with Linux preinstalled despite them having missing drivers / functionality.
- gjsman-1000 5y agoLinux is what you use when you like working on your computer more than with your computer.
- piaste 5y agoLinux will annoy you due to honest-to-God bugs, misconfigurations, or other genuine mistakes. The authors of the software would like it to work effortlessly and they're trying their best, they just didn't quite get there. As a developer, I can sympathize and put up with the occasional afternoon spent hunting down firmware patches or whatever. Windows >= 8 will intentionally annoy you because Microsoft is trying to squeeze as much money and data as they can from you. It is a truly hostile piece of software and I resent each single minute spent trying to turn off the malware far more than I do all the hours spent clashing with the Linux bluetooth stack or whatever.
- k8sToGo 5y agoI'm definitely not blaming the developers. At least with Linux I can talk to them through various channels directly or even fix stuff myself.