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I have been using Safari and Firefox for years. Never have I got a pop-up in Safari when I visited the Chrome website to tell me that I should stay on Safari. S

I have been using Safari and Firefox for years. Never have I got a pop-up in Safari when I visited the Chrome website to tell me that I should stay on Safari. Strange, because you say that Apple has been doing this for years yet it has completely escaped me! Also, never have I seen a pop-up in iOS to tell me to use Apple Maps when I opened or downloaded Google Maps. Again, very strange, because you are claiming that Apple is doing the same disgusting tactics as Microsoft, yet I have never felt as an iOS or macOS user to be bullied into using Apple Maps.

izacus 5y ago
I don't know what you were looking at, but my Mac spams me via notifications to advertise use of Safari.
Nullabillity 5y ago
How do you download Firefox on iOS? Real Firefox, not just a Safari reskin.
- dustinmoris 5y ago
  Why do you ask about iOS? How do you download Firefox in a Tesla? How do you download Firefox on a Nintendo Gameboy? Those are special devices which have special requirements. I wouldn't compare that to a computer. On my laptop it's super easy. I opened Safari, went to the Firefox website, then downloaded it. At no point whatsoever did Apple bully me into not downloading Firefox.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    > Those are special devices which have special requirements. I wouldn't compare that to a computer. So iPad is not a computer? What is it?
    - formerly_proven 5y ago
      Media consooomption device
      - fsflover 5y ago
        Not, it's not, according to Apple: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t92B-qbLnNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t92B-qbLnNE.
    - endemic 5y ago
      Genuinely asking (haven’t really been keeping up with Apple): is it possible to write software on the iPad for the iPad? If not, I’m not sure how you could consider it a “full computer”.
  - throwaway946513 5y ago
    The issue with what's a 'computer' we could say is a general computing device. General computing devices enable you to install software freely and use it however you'd deem fit. Desktop computers are general computers. So are laptops. And for the vast majority of people, an iPhone or Android device are general computing devices. However, the Android device allows the user to actually do 'general' things like write code and develop software on itself. While the 'i' device doesn't. The issue is that the 'i' device is often sold as a 'general computing' device like all other smartphones and computers. The issue with the 'Tesla' computer is that it isn't a general computer. The purpose of the device is solely to control and manage the vehicle.
fredoralive 5y ago
After installing a new version of Mac OS X you do generally seem to get a (single) notification plugging the new version of Safari, IIRC. But it's far less extreme than what Microsoft seem to be doing.

izacus 5y ago

I don't know what you were looking at, but my Mac spams me via notifications to advertise use of Safari.

Nullabillity 5y ago

How do you download Firefox on iOS? Real Firefox, not just a Safari reskin.

dustinmoris 5y ago
Why do you ask about iOS? How do you download Firefox in a Tesla? How do you download Firefox on a Nintendo Gameboy? Those are special devices which have special requirements. I wouldn't compare that to a computer. On my laptop it's super easy. I opened Safari, went to the Firefox website, then downloaded it. At no point whatsoever did Apple bully me into not downloading Firefox.
- fsflover 5y ago
  > Those are special devices which have special requirements. I wouldn't compare that to a computer. So iPad is not a computer? What is it?
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    Media consooomption device
    - fsflover 5y ago
      Not, it's not, according to Apple: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t92B-qbLnNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t92B-qbLnNE.
  - endemic 5y ago
    Genuinely asking (haven’t really been keeping up with Apple): is it possible to write software on the iPad for the iPad? If not, I’m not sure how you could consider it a “full computer”.
- throwaway946513 5y ago
  The issue with what's a 'computer' we could say is a general computing device. General computing devices enable you to install software freely and use it however you'd deem fit. Desktop computers are general computers. So are laptops. And for the vast majority of people, an iPhone or Android device are general computing devices. However, the Android device allows the user to actually do 'general' things like write code and develop software on itself. While the 'i' device doesn't. The issue is that the 'i' device is often sold as a 'general computing' device like all other smartphones and computers. The issue with the 'Tesla' computer is that it isn't a general computer. The purpose of the device is solely to control and manage the vehicle.

fredoralive 5y ago

After installing a new version of Mac OS X you do generally seem to get a (single) notification plugging the new version of Safari, IIRC. But it's far less extreme than what Microsoft seem to be doing.