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I've been doing "shallow rest" (think your typical mindless binge on anything) for whole my life and it has been difficult to convince myself or even find resou

I've been doing "shallow rest" (think your typical mindless binge on anything) for whole my life and it has been difficult to convince myself or even find resources to become involved in resting, making it "deep rest" as mentioned in the article. Anyone has a good personal perspective on how to learn to do it?

Davexon 5y ago
Travel alone to scenic places with no connectivity.
ddek 5y ago
Judging by OP, I’d say I have a pretty good handle on ‘deep rest’. I think it’s more because I’m quite deliberate than because I planned it this way, but it functions well as rest. I have almost total separation of work and personal life. Be purposeful with sleep. Work out how many hours you need, have a schedule, stick to it. I do 2200-0600, if I’m out late I still get up at 0600, a few ‘short’ nights a week won’t ruin my energy. Also, if I’m stuck at home, nothing interesting happens after 10pm. Distractions like my phone are kept in another room. Push mindless binging out for more intensive activities. As OP says, rest does not have to be relaxed. It doesn’t have to be solitary, although it can be. The things I do (and what they bring me) are: board gaming (social), tennis (social, competition, exercise), running (solitary, calming, exercise), woodworking (solitary, satisfaction), Age of Empires II (competition), and piano (solitary, creative). It seems a lot when I write it down, but I still have a fair amount of downtime.
andai 5y ago
Go to the sauna, get a massage, or float in a warm salt water tank for an hour.
- kvgr 5y ago
  Sauna is great, no phone and temperature shocks are great for me to calm down the brain.
- chaoz_ 5y ago
  Is that why Finland is happiest country in the world?
0x008 5y ago
I just go for walks without taking my phone with me. Works alright.
- tinyhouse 5y ago
  Same. But my brain is consistently thinking about stuff. I wonder if it's still rest?
  - 0x008 5y ago
    If you do not chase the thoughts or try to actively think it should stop sometimes and not think all the time. If I understand the article correct then rest is not about “not thinking”. Rest can also be about engagement (for example sports or a making music). Just using different parts of your brain which are usually not directly used for work. If it never stops thinking try meditation practice, it will help after a couple times already (for me at least). Also sometimes it can be good to “reset” the brain by going into the wilderness or a retreat or have a day nap.
  - mrweasel 5y ago
    That's why I go for walks. I believe it frees up time for the brain to think through stuff without getting interrupted. Sure it might be a series of incohernt throughs and ideas, but that's fine, now they've been processed and the mind can relax.
    - jimpix45 5y ago
      I also like doing this and I'll try to focus on what I'm seeing during my walk which helps my brain not to wander worrying about work or other stressors but it allows me to be in the moment.
treme 5y ago
Non-Sleep Deep Rest (NSDR): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL02HRFk2vo& https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL02HRFk2vo& Yoga Nidra version https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yoga+nidra+20+min https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yoga+nidra+20+m... try either, and see how you feel compared to your usual rest methods, gl
jasfi 5y ago
Make it a goal for a specific day. Turn off all your devices, except for your phone (if you really have to be contactable or check something).
- mlac 5y ago
  I’m taking this to the extreme and purchasing a bluetooth home phone, so I can leave my phone in a room with the base station, and still pick up if someone calls / texts throughout the day. But no apps or anything. Gives me a way to get out of connection anxiety. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086PYS5VG?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086PYS5VG?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_...
tradesmanhelix 5y ago
I find that whatever I'm doing (binging a show, taking a walk, playing a video game, etc.) is much more restful when I'm fully present. For me, this means putting my phone and any other distracting technology away (or even turning it off) and just fully immersing myself in whatever I'm doing. Additionally, I find a bit of boredom is helpful in making an activity restful. For example, I love The Expanse TV show but sometimes it's very slow moving and I find myself wanting to stimulate my brain more than it's currently being stimulated by the show if that makes sense. However, I've found that if I embrace the boredom, resist the urge to take my eyes off of the TV, and just "float" in the moment so to speak, after about 15-20 mins the discomfort fades and I lose myself in the narrative. I find this "losing of oneself" in an activity or experience to be very restful and rejuvenating.
neltnerb 5y ago
I think it's the same as trying to form any other habit intentionally. Have a bed that you sleep in. Don't do anything in that bed other than sleep. If you are laying trying to sleep and find you cannot, get out of that bed and go elsewhere. This trains you to associate that bed with sleep and nothing else. It makes it so that when you go there in the future you have an ingrained habit that tells you it is time to sleep. Even reading in bed screwed it up for me. I think basically the same approach fits any other activity. If you want to get deeply in the flow for learning karate you have a dojo that you associate with it. You get way less distracted because you only do one thing there. I think sleep or laying still and meditating is about the most useful kind of rest for me, so I originally mostly talked about sleep. I think that the ability to get deeply into a task is generally strongly associated with environmental cues. Bowing before you start karate practice is a formal way to move into deep practice, even if you're practicing on your own.

Davexon 5y ago

Travel alone to scenic places with no connectivity.

ddek 5y ago

Judging by OP, I’d say I have a pretty good handle on ‘deep rest’. I think it’s more because I’m quite deliberate than because I planned it this way, but it functions well as rest. I have almost total separation of work and personal life. Be purposeful with sleep. Work out how many hours you need, have a schedule, stick to it. I do 2200-0600, if I’m out late I still get up at 0600, a few ‘short’ nights a week won’t ruin my energy. Also, if I’m stuck at home, nothing interesting happens after 10pm. Distractions like my phone are kept in another room. Push mindless binging out for more intensive activities. As OP says, rest does not have to be relaxed. It doesn’t have to be solitary, although it can be. The things I do (and what they bring me) are: board gaming (social), tennis (social, competition, exercise), running (solitary, calming, exercise), woodworking (solitary, satisfaction), Age of Empires II (competition), and piano (solitary, creative). It seems a lot when I write it down, but I still have a fair amount of downtime.

andai 5y ago

Go to the sauna, get a massage, or float in a warm salt water tank for an hour.

kvgr 5y ago
Sauna is great, no phone and temperature shocks are great for me to calm down the brain.
chaoz_ 5y ago
Is that why Finland is happiest country in the world?

0x008 5y ago

I just go for walks without taking my phone with me. Works alright.

tinyhouse 5y ago
Same. But my brain is consistently thinking about stuff. I wonder if it's still rest?
- 0x008 5y ago
  If you do not chase the thoughts or try to actively think it should stop sometimes and not think all the time. If I understand the article correct then rest is not about “not thinking”. Rest can also be about engagement (for example sports or a making music). Just using different parts of your brain which are usually not directly used for work. If it never stops thinking try meditation practice, it will help after a couple times already (for me at least). Also sometimes it can be good to “reset” the brain by going into the wilderness or a retreat or have a day nap.
- mrweasel 5y ago
  That's why I go for walks. I believe it frees up time for the brain to think through stuff without getting interrupted. Sure it might be a series of incohernt throughs and ideas, but that's fine, now they've been processed and the mind can relax.
  - jimpix45 5y ago
    I also like doing this and I'll try to focus on what I'm seeing during my walk which helps my brain not to wander worrying about work or other stressors but it allows me to be in the moment.

treme 5y ago

Non-Sleep Deep Rest (NSDR): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL02HRFk2vo& https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL02HRFk2vo& Yoga Nidra version https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yoga+nidra+20+min https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yoga+nidra+20+m... try either, and see how you feel compared to your usual rest methods, gl

jasfi 5y ago

Make it a goal for a specific day. Turn off all your devices, except for your phone (if you really have to be contactable or check something).

mlac 5y ago
I’m taking this to the extreme and purchasing a bluetooth home phone, so I can leave my phone in a room with the base station, and still pick up if someone calls / texts throughout the day. But no apps or anything. Gives me a way to get out of connection anxiety. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086PYS5VG?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086PYS5VG?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_...

tradesmanhelix 5y ago

I find that whatever I'm doing (binging a show, taking a walk, playing a video game, etc.) is much more restful when I'm fully present. For me, this means putting my phone and any other distracting technology away (or even turning it off) and just fully immersing myself in whatever I'm doing. Additionally, I find a bit of boredom is helpful in making an activity restful. For example, I love The Expanse TV show but sometimes it's very slow moving and I find myself wanting to stimulate my brain more than it's currently being stimulated by the show if that makes sense. However, I've found that if I embrace the boredom, resist the urge to take my eyes off of the TV, and just "float" in the moment so to speak, after about 15-20 mins the discomfort fades and I lose myself in the narrative. I find this "losing of oneself" in an activity or experience to be very restful and rejuvenating.

neltnerb 5y ago

I think it's the same as trying to form any other habit intentionally. Have a bed that you sleep in. Don't do anything in that bed other than sleep. If you are laying trying to sleep and find you cannot, get out of that bed and go elsewhere. This trains you to associate that bed with sleep and nothing else. It makes it so that when you go there in the future you have an ingrained habit that tells you it is time to sleep. Even reading in bed screwed it up for me. I think basically the same approach fits any other activity. If you want to get deeply in the flow for learning karate you have a dojo that you associate with it. You get way less distracted because you only do one thing there. I think sleep or laying still and meditating is about the most useful kind of rest for me, so I originally mostly talked about sleep. I think that the ability to get deeply into a task is generally strongly associated with environmental cues. Bowing before you start karate practice is a formal way to move into deep practice, even if you're practicing on your own.