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Haaretz is about 50% non Zionist (looking at the regular writers like Gideon Levi, Amira Haas, most guest columns and not to mention the Arab writers). It repre

Haaretz is about 50% non Zionist (looking at the regular writers like Gideon Levi, Amira Haas, most guest columns and not to mention the Arab writers). It represents the views of maybe 5-10% of Jewish Israelis and I think I'm being generous. The NYTimes while very progressive, has a much broader base than Haaretz (at least I think. It also changed a lot lately).

flyinglizard 5y ago
They are similar publications to the point many articles in Haaretz are translated from NYT. Both have progressive editorial lines and a similar interest in culture. Elitist is maybe the word. However Haaretz routinely publishes opinions against the editorial line and has a cadre of right wing writers, whereas NYT has a shit storm and people losing their jobs over an op-ed by Sen. Tom Cotton. Haaretz is much more neutral as a whole (by allowing both extremes) and still tries to adhere to old school newspaper values; NYT since 2016 became a tool of progressive indoctrination. I never feel that reading Haaretz.
- montblanc 5y ago
  > However Haaretz routinely publishes opinions against the editorial line NYT also has Bret Stephens , up until recently Bari Weiss and I assume there are a few more centrists? Haaretz tries to challenge its readers with opinions from the other spectrum I'd agree with that. But still, every Israel knows it's a left wing and recently a borderline anti Zionist newspaper ( I don't think Haaretz themselves will dispute this. Their writers acknowledge anti Zionism repeatedly). The fact it has an anti Zionist line, which basically goes against the idea of the country itself, makes it a very niche product. Also let's not forget the left is now in power in the U.S, and even on a bad day it gets almost 50% of the vote. In Israel what Haaretz would call left is 5%-10% of the votes (Meretz and thats pretty much it).
- eli_gottlieb 5y ago
  >NYT since 2016 became a tool of progressive indoctrination. I never feel that reading Haaretz. Then you're not checking Haaretz English against Haaretz Hebrew ;-). Haaretz did this particular business model before the Times did.
eli_gottlieb 5y ago
If anything, the New York Times is shifting to the Haaretz-type business model of selling chiefly to a political/worldview/educated-class base via subscriptions, rather than distributing across a metro area with ad revenue. Economics of digital media are basically the same everywhere, especially when you actually face more competition from trying to act as a genuinely local, printed paper than in the digital space.

flyinglizard 5y ago

They are similar publications to the point many articles in Haaretz are translated from NYT. Both have progressive editorial lines and a similar interest in culture. Elitist is maybe the word. However Haaretz routinely publishes opinions against the editorial line and has a cadre of right wing writers, whereas NYT has a shit storm and people losing their jobs over an op-ed by Sen. Tom Cotton. Haaretz is much more neutral as a whole (by allowing both extremes) and still tries to adhere to old school newspaper values; NYT since 2016 became a tool of progressive indoctrination. I never feel that reading Haaretz.

montblanc 5y ago
> However Haaretz routinely publishes opinions against the editorial line NYT also has Bret Stephens , up until recently Bari Weiss and I assume there are a few more centrists? Haaretz tries to challenge its readers with opinions from the other spectrum I'd agree with that. But still, every Israel knows it's a left wing and recently a borderline anti Zionist newspaper ( I don't think Haaretz themselves will dispute this. Their writers acknowledge anti Zionism repeatedly). The fact it has an anti Zionist line, which basically goes against the idea of the country itself, makes it a very niche product. Also let's not forget the left is now in power in the U.S, and even on a bad day it gets almost 50% of the vote. In Israel what Haaretz would call left is 5%-10% of the votes (Meretz and thats pretty much it).
eli_gottlieb 5y ago
>NYT since 2016 became a tool of progressive indoctrination. I never feel that reading Haaretz. Then you're not checking Haaretz English against Haaretz Hebrew ;-). Haaretz did this particular business model before the Times did.

eli_gottlieb 5y ago

If anything, the New York Times is shifting to the Haaretz-type business model of selling chiefly to a political/worldview/educated-class base via subscriptions, rather than distributing across a metro area with ad revenue. Economics of digital media are basically the same everywhere, especially when you actually face more competition from trying to act as a genuinely local, printed paper than in the digital space.