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So? It's good that we have a "representative" of the CCP on this website then. It can't only be a US/NATO-aligned echo chamber. There's people from all over the

So? It's good that we have a "representative" of the CCP on this website then. It can't only be a US/NATO-aligned echo chamber. There's people from all over the world here. And more than two sides. Unless you are convinced that NATO are the good guys and CCP are the bad guys so they must be silenced, but I'd tell you that's the propaganda doing the thinking for you.

random314 5y ago
TBF, there are no representatives of US/NATO on wechat.
- 1_player 5y ago
  It's their loss. To be fair, they had to create a pretty massive and intrusive censorship system to prevent the widespread Western propaganda from entering their borders.
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  - PoignardAzur 5y ago
    It's kind of creepy how you're implying that the fact the CCP created a massive and intrusive system for controlling what information has access to is a reaction to Western propaganda, and not, like, a textbook power grab that we've seen from every other totalitarian regime in the 20th century.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      You're seeing selection bias. The regimes that didn't implement strong censorship and the like invariably fell to hostile action. So of course it's going to become textbook, otherwise you end up like the CNT FAI, or Mossadegh, or Allende, or Sankara, etc... There is a pretty clear pattern that does who don't use censorship end up killed and those that do survive much longer.
      - random314 5y ago
        Mossadegh and Allende were deposed in coups because of lack of censorship??!! That is a hot take!
        sudosysgen 5y ago
        A general lack of authoritarianism made the coups much easier.
      - IncRnd 5y ago
        You completely missed the point that the poster is a CCP shill.
    - 1_player 5y ago
      That's not what I'm implying at all. I'm saying Western propaganda is so thick and widespread only absolute totalitarian regimes can control it, otherwise it reaches everywhere and we're all brain-washed by it. There is no denying the CCP is a totalitarian regime.
      - PoignardAzur 5y ago
        I mean, I guess you have a point from a certain perspective, but that sounds a lot like the mindset of a cult. "Widespread propaganda that the entire world believes except for the select few that live in a tightly controlled bubble where anybody who speaks out is violently silenced" has a lot of common properties with "things that are true".
        1_player 5y ago
        That's an incorrect argument of yours. Things that are true are, more often than not, widespread. It does not segue that an idea that is widespread has to be true. The very point and raison d'être of propaganda is to repeat an idea so often that people start to believe it, even if it has no basis in reality. But then again, plenty of books and philosopher-hours have been spent on the topic of "truth", which honestly becomes a semantic rabbit hole I'm not interested in diving in.

random314 5y ago

TBF, there are no representatives of US/NATO on wechat.

1_player 5y ago
It's their loss. To be fair, they had to create a pretty massive and intrusive censorship system to prevent the widespread Western propaganda from entering their borders.
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- PoignardAzur 5y ago
  It's kind of creepy how you're implying that the fact the CCP created a massive and intrusive system for controlling what information has access to is a reaction to Western propaganda, and not, like, a textbook power grab that we've seen from every other totalitarian regime in the 20th century.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    You're seeing selection bias. The regimes that didn't implement strong censorship and the like invariably fell to hostile action. So of course it's going to become textbook, otherwise you end up like the CNT FAI, or Mossadegh, or Allende, or Sankara, etc... There is a pretty clear pattern that does who don't use censorship end up killed and those that do survive much longer.
    - random314 5y ago
      Mossadegh and Allende were deposed in coups because of lack of censorship??!! That is a hot take!
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        A general lack of authoritarianism made the coups much easier.
    - IncRnd 5y ago
      You completely missed the point that the poster is a CCP shill.
  - 1_player 5y ago
    That's not what I'm implying at all. I'm saying Western propaganda is so thick and widespread only absolute totalitarian regimes can control it, otherwise it reaches everywhere and we're all brain-washed by it. There is no denying the CCP is a totalitarian regime.
    - PoignardAzur 5y ago
      I mean, I guess you have a point from a certain perspective, but that sounds a lot like the mindset of a cult. "Widespread propaganda that the entire world believes except for the select few that live in a tightly controlled bubble where anybody who speaks out is violently silenced" has a lot of common properties with "things that are true".
      - 1_player 5y ago
        That's an incorrect argument of yours. Things that are true are, more often than not, widespread. It does not segue that an idea that is widespread has to be true. The very point and raison d'être of propaganda is to repeat an idea so often that people start to believe it, even if it has no basis in reality. But then again, plenty of books and philosopher-hours have been spent on the topic of "truth", which honestly becomes a semantic rabbit hole I'm not interested in diving in.