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So who added it? This bill was debated and fought over for months. Where did this come from?

by he0001 5y ago

CamperBob2 5y ago
The Used Car Dealer Association, would be my guess. Because the value of their older inventory is going to go to the moon.
thematt 5y ago
Lobbied for by MADD. The push was led in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congresswoman Debbie Dingell (D-MI). Original co-sponsors were David McKinley (R-WV) and Kathleen Rice (D-NY). The senate version of the bill was led by senators Ben Ray Lujan (D-NM) and Rick Scott (R-FL) with co-sponsorship from Gary Peters (D-MI) and Shelley Moore (R-WV). https://www.madd.org/press-release/madd-hails-monumental-drunk-driving-prevention-provision-in-infrastructure-bill-passed-by-u-s-house-of-representatives https://www.madd.org/press-release/madd-hails-monumental-dru...
- sieabahlpark 5y ago
  They're all morons.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  MADD is an awful organization these days. In the early days they knew how to stay inside the lines, now they are power hungry fascistic organization. They would be happy if you weren't able to leave your home unless you got permission from a MADD member.
messo 5y ago
Special interest groups (like MADD) is almost extremist in their single-mindedness, pursuing utopic ideas without any regard for existing laws concerning privacy and personal freedoms. Here in Norway, we have had the same problem with the anti-drug lobby, where police, schools and other government agencies have gotten away with obvious injustices for decades, in the name of the utopia that is a "drug free society". Only now is people and the press waking up to the fact that so much of what has been going on in the service of "the greater good", actually has been illegal and caused a lot of harm and suffering.
- borski 5y ago
  It’s really unfortunate because MADD has otherwise produced good-for-the-country-and-its-citizens results, but then they go and do shit like this and make it so so hard to support them.
  - throwawayHN378 5y ago
    Are you sure about that? When I was a child I was prescribed Adderall for ADHD and I have been on the medication ever since. When I was 25 years old I was picking up my nephew from my sisters house and bringing him to my parents house. I had my prescription sitting in the cup holder. I drove through a DWI checkpoint and long story short I was charged with a felony DWAI for driving under the influence of Adderall. There was no accusation that I was abusing the prescription. There was no accusation that I was no legally allowed to have the prescription. The simple fact that I was driving on Adderall, the state claimed, was impaired driving. It became felonious because my young nephew was in the car. I lawyered up and spent 30k fighting the case but the DAs office had a “no plea” policy whereby they refuse to plea bargain any DWIs. So my only option was take it to trial ( and if you lose, spent 5 years in state prison ) or plea guilty to a felony and do probation. Everything I just wrote to you is 100% true and stated exactly how it happened. Does that seem fair to you? The MADD lobby has gone way too far to criminalize non criminal behavior. Thankfully employers have empathized with me and not rescinded any job offers due to the conviction, but it’s a hard pill to swallow. When I went to court I was seeing burglars, robbers, etc have their charges dropped to misdemeanors but that wasn’t an option for me. Additionally, the laws are written such that DWI cannot be sealed or expunged. I’m so bitter that I can’t even empathize with those mothers anymore. There have been times where I’m so upset about the situation and feel so wronged by the process that I actually am happy that they lost a child… as terrible as it is to say, but I have to be honest. I’m glad they’re hurting because I’m hurt
    - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
      If more people who got wronged like you did bought bulldozers fewer people would get wronged like you did. When there is no repercussions to the system (other than positive ones where you input money) the system has no reason to stop.

So who added it? This bill was debated and fought over for months. Where did this come from?

by he0001 5y ago

So who added it? This bill was debated and fought over for months. Where did this come from?

The Used Car Dealer Association, would be my guess. Because the value of their older inventory is going to go to the moon.

thematt 5y ago

Lobbied for by MADD. The push was led in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congresswoman Debbie Dingell (D-MI). Original co-sponsors were David McKinley (R-WV) and Kathleen Rice (D-NY). The senate version of the bill was led by senators Ben Ray Lujan (D-NM) and Rick Scott (R-FL) with co-sponsorship from Gary Peters (D-MI) and Shelley Moore (R-WV). https://www.madd.org/press-release/madd-hails-monumental-drunk-driving-prevention-provision-in-infrastructure-bill-passed-by-u-s-house-of-representatives https://www.madd.org/press-release/madd-hails-monumental-dru...

sieabahlpark 5y ago
They're all morons.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
MADD is an awful organization these days. In the early days they knew how to stay inside the lines, now they are power hungry fascistic organization. They would be happy if you weren't able to leave your home unless you got permission from a MADD member.

messo 5y ago

Special interest groups (like MADD) is almost extremist in their single-mindedness, pursuing utopic ideas without any regard for existing laws concerning privacy and personal freedoms. Here in Norway, we have had the same problem with the anti-drug lobby, where police, schools and other government agencies have gotten away with obvious injustices for decades, in the name of the utopia that is a "drug free society". Only now is people and the press waking up to the fact that so much of what has been going on in the service of "the greater good", actually has been illegal and caused a lot of harm and suffering.

borski 5y ago
It’s really unfortunate because MADD has otherwise produced good-for-the-country-and-its-citizens results, but then they go and do shit like this and make it so so hard to support them.
- throwawayHN378 5y ago
  Are you sure about that? When I was a child I was prescribed Adderall for ADHD and I have been on the medication ever since. When I was 25 years old I was picking up my nephew from my sisters house and bringing him to my parents house. I had my prescription sitting in the cup holder. I drove through a DWI checkpoint and long story short I was charged with a felony DWAI for driving under the influence of Adderall. There was no accusation that I was abusing the prescription. There was no accusation that I was no legally allowed to have the prescription. The simple fact that I was driving on Adderall, the state claimed, was impaired driving. It became felonious because my young nephew was in the car. I lawyered up and spent 30k fighting the case but the DAs office had a “no plea” policy whereby they refuse to plea bargain any DWIs. So my only option was take it to trial ( and if you lose, spent 5 years in state prison ) or plea guilty to a felony and do probation. Everything I just wrote to you is 100% true and stated exactly how it happened. Does that seem fair to you? The MADD lobby has gone way too far to criminalize non criminal behavior. Thankfully employers have empathized with me and not rescinded any job offers due to the conviction, but it’s a hard pill to swallow. When I went to court I was seeing burglars, robbers, etc have their charges dropped to misdemeanors but that wasn’t an option for me. Additionally, the laws are written such that DWI cannot be sealed or expunged. I’m so bitter that I can’t even empathize with those mothers anymore. There have been times where I’m so upset about the situation and feel so wronged by the process that I actually am happy that they lost a child… as terrible as it is to say, but I have to be honest. I’m glad they’re hurting because I’m hurt
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    If more people who got wronged like you did bought bulldozers fewer people would get wronged like you did. When there is no repercussions to the system (other than positive ones where you input money) the system has no reason to stop.