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No. Also it's kinda over already, save for the media fearmongering. It's ridiculous to expect 0 death worldwide for any disease. We have to accept a few people

No. Also it's kinda over already, save for the media fearmongering. It's ridiculous to expect 0 death worldwide for any disease. We have to accept a few people will die of it from times to times, just like it is with the flu (which is targeting the same population anyway so nothing really changed).

tehjoker 5y ago
Assuming you live in the US, that is the kind of thing a person living in the country with the most deaths in the world would say.
- chrononaut 5y ago
  > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. > Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.
  - tehjoker 5y ago
    Tone policing someone protesting a call for millions of deaths is really something.
Klinky 5y ago
There's still more than "a few" people dying "from time to time", so even by your metric, it is not over, or anywhere near over.
- AtlasBarfed 5y ago
  Yes, about 300,000 americans (taking us over 1 million deaths) will probably die in the next four-five months given the current numbers. Definitely not a few. We were on the downslide of the third big bump of COVID deaths per worldometers, but let's face it, there's going to be a big fourth even without Omicron from the infections from far less restrained Xmas/Thanksgiving get togethers. I hope I'm wrong...
  - rswail 5y ago
    A large chunk of those deaths is due to the lack of urgency to get people vaccinated, as well as, somehow, your political allegiance deciding whether you get vaccinated, stop spreading disease by mask usage etc. The US is one of the worst examples of COVID response, both during Trump's era and the post-Trump/QAnon/Fox/OAN/etc spread of bullshit propaganda. It's not Xmas/Thanksgiving that's the issue, it's the lack of following logical safety and vaccination measures, somehow tied to "freedom" without considering the "general welfare".
wesleywt 5y ago
I never understand these comments. We try are prevent deaths for all diseases. Infectious diseases are probably the easiest ones to prevent. Yet, we have these odd comments that we should allow people to die just as we allow people to die with the flu. We don't just allow people to die of the flu either, we try and vaccinate vulnerable groups. But ignorant comments such as this stand in the way of these effects. Just as it stands in the way of effectively dealing with Covid. The issue is this disease is killing younger people than those who typically die of the flu. There number of general hospitalizations is significantly higher, with more longer lasting after infection effects. Nearly all my friends who have had Covid can't taste or smell. That alone should scare you. I have not had it, because I am vaccinated and wear a mask while I do my normal social activities here in South Africa.
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- henrikschroder 5y ago
  How's our track record at preventing influenza or the common cold, both of which are transmitted as airborne viruses? The problem is that most of the things that governments around the world have been doing to try to combat corona are completely useless, and carry a huge cost for society. We're killing people with lockdowns and school closures and by limiting medical procedures. Suicides among children and teenagers are up. Deaths of despair are up. Cancer screenings are down. The future healthcare debt is just piling up. If our strategy is killing more people than we're saving, we should stop and re-think the strategy! The hubris is enormous. Countries think they can eradicate sars-cov-2, and every single attempt has been an abysmal failure. Omicron has been detected in Australia. How? They have incredibly strict border controls, quarantine camps, vaccine requirements and testing requirements for travelers, and yet the virus slipped through. OP isn't saying we should throw our hands in the air and just ignore the virus, but we also shouldn't double down on useless measures that do more harm than good, and we shouldn't succumb to wishful thinking that the virus can be magically erased if only everyone did X.
adrianN 5y ago
ICU nurses would strongly disagree with it being "kinda over already", at least where I live.

tehjoker 5y ago

Assuming you live in the US, that is the kind of thing a person living in the country with the most deaths in the world would say.

chrononaut 5y ago
> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. > Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.
- tehjoker 5y ago
  Tone policing someone protesting a call for millions of deaths is really something.

Klinky 5y ago

There's still more than "a few" people dying "from time to time", so even by your metric, it is not over, or anywhere near over.

AtlasBarfed 5y ago
Yes, about 300,000 americans (taking us over 1 million deaths) will probably die in the next four-five months given the current numbers. Definitely not a few. We were on the downslide of the third big bump of COVID deaths per worldometers, but let's face it, there's going to be a big fourth even without Omicron from the infections from far less restrained Xmas/Thanksgiving get togethers. I hope I'm wrong...
- rswail 5y ago
  A large chunk of those deaths is due to the lack of urgency to get people vaccinated, as well as, somehow, your political allegiance deciding whether you get vaccinated, stop spreading disease by mask usage etc. The US is one of the worst examples of COVID response, both during Trump's era and the post-Trump/QAnon/Fox/OAN/etc spread of bullshit propaganda. It's not Xmas/Thanksgiving that's the issue, it's the lack of following logical safety and vaccination measures, somehow tied to "freedom" without considering the "general welfare".

wesleywt 5y ago

I never understand these comments. We try are prevent deaths for all diseases. Infectious diseases are probably the easiest ones to prevent. Yet, we have these odd comments that we should allow people to die just as we allow people to die with the flu. We don't just allow people to die of the flu either, we try and vaccinate vulnerable groups. But ignorant comments such as this stand in the way of these effects. Just as it stands in the way of effectively dealing with Covid. The issue is this disease is killing younger people than those who typically die of the flu. There number of general hospitalizations is significantly higher, with more longer lasting after infection effects. Nearly all my friends who have had Covid can't taste or smell. That alone should scare you. I have not had it, because I am vaccinated and wear a mask while I do my normal social activities here in South Africa.

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henrikschroder 5y ago
How's our track record at preventing influenza or the common cold, both of which are transmitted as airborne viruses? The problem is that most of the things that governments around the world have been doing to try to combat corona are completely useless, and carry a huge cost for society. We're killing people with lockdowns and school closures and by limiting medical procedures. Suicides among children and teenagers are up. Deaths of despair are up. Cancer screenings are down. The future healthcare debt is just piling up. If our strategy is killing more people than we're saving, we should stop and re-think the strategy! The hubris is enormous. Countries think they can eradicate sars-cov-2, and every single attempt has been an abysmal failure. Omicron has been detected in Australia. How? They have incredibly strict border controls, quarantine camps, vaccine requirements and testing requirements for travelers, and yet the virus slipped through. OP isn't saying we should throw our hands in the air and just ignore the virus, but we also shouldn't double down on useless measures that do more harm than good, and we shouldn't succumb to wishful thinking that the virus can be magically erased if only everyone did X.

adrianN 5y ago

ICU nurses would strongly disagree with it being "kinda over already", at least where I live.