> I have never really understood what 'modern' means Well, to me that means things from the 1980s, when those ideas from 1960S and 1970s got sorted out and we

> I have never really understood what 'modern' means Well, to me that means things from the 1980s, when those ideas from 1960S and 1970s got sorted out and we got systems like St-80 with a small numbers of pervasive concepts, universally applied. Then you got the postmodern period of Perl and friends...