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China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland than conquering nations. This is not really comparable to the U.S. which is a

China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland than conquering nations. This is not really comparable to the U.S. which is an ideology-based nation that inherited European imperialism traits. China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs in the same way it's rivals are so we shouldn't interpret their actions with the same lens.

randomopining 5y ago
Your response is some empty trite paragraph that doesn’t even make sense. “Don’t worry, it’s all fine”
amprolh 5y ago
> culturally an ancient society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution > China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs China is extremely interested in controlling and imposing the beliefs that the CCP is the best and should never be opposed and never makes mistakes, and demonstrates this daily within the great firewall and through threat of sanction against international media companies, nevermind the regular disappearance of high-profile individuals that cause "problems"...you know, to have a nice months-long chat with them that isn't about controlling or imposing beliefs. > China has not had the imperial history There are a number of formerly, currently, and soon-to-be-no-longer sovereign countries that don't want to be part of China, but China pretends they're not occupying/colonizing them by insisting they have always been part of China.
- mrtnmcc 5y ago
  Control of actions and beliefs of citizens absolutely. But again that's to maintain internal stability. You'd need to give specific examples for the latter point.
  - sterlind 5y ago
    forcing US airlines to label Taiwan as China in their maps? annexing Tibet? all the power they have over Mongolia? Telco equipment sold way underprice to members of the Belt and Road initiative? the South China sea? the power they exert over Chinese students studying abroad? none of those are internal. maybe you're right, depending on how you define citizens - though taking a page from the British empire, maybe everyone's a citizen!
  - IncRnd 5y ago
    Taiwan
unobatbayar 5y ago
I just can't comprehend the fact that this kind of disgraceful, ignorant trash is coming out of a SpaceX Satellite Engineer.
3371 5y ago
I'm Taiwanese, I don't agree.
- mrtnmcc 5y ago
  But isn't that through the lens of of self-determinism? China sees Taiwan as a domestic conflict between ROC/PRC, i.e. that Taiwanese are Chinese ( Han). They would never say the same about the U.S. or Russia for example. Not saying China is correct, just that it's pointless to explain their actions or intent based on the wrong model of their values.
  - 3371 5y ago
    No. >China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland is nonsense just like all the Chinese netizens who keep saying that "We Descendants of Yanhuang have 5000 years of history". Non-sense, PRC happened in 1949, and before that, it's a History of ethnicities from all over the land Conquer, Massacre, Annex and Integrate each other. EDIT: > China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs There are 56 ethnic groups in China, they may have different culture even religion, what do you think how China managed to make sure all 55 other then Han stay under control?
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    - mrtnmcc 5y ago
      "The estimated 1.4 billion Han Chinese people are mostly concentrated in the People's Republic of China (Mainland China), where they make up about 92% of the total population.[2] In the Republic of China (Taiwan), they make up about 97% of the population." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese Is that incorrect?
      - 3371 5y ago
        That does not means the 3% just go "Yeah let's become Chinese". And this is off-topic. The idea is simple: "China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland than conquering nation" does not stand. Conquering happens a lot on that land way before PRC is a thing.
Paradigma11 5y ago
China is an imperialistic hegemony. Just look at tibet or xinjiang. Completely with genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide and all. It is very easy to say that you are only interested in internal matters if you define as internal any territory your ppl had any interest in the last 2-3 millenia: https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/how-china-bending-rules-south-china-sea https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/how-china-bend... "Thus, Beijing’s narrative about its claims begins as early as the 2nd century BCE, when Chinese people sailed in the South China Sea and discovered some of the region’s land features."

randomopining 5y ago

Your response is some empty trite paragraph that doesn’t even make sense. “Don’t worry, it’s all fine”

amprolh 5y ago

> culturally an ancient society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution > China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs China is extremely interested in controlling and imposing the beliefs that the CCP is the best and should never be opposed and never makes mistakes, and demonstrates this daily within the great firewall and through threat of sanction against international media companies, nevermind the regular disappearance of high-profile individuals that cause "problems"...you know, to have a nice months-long chat with them that isn't about controlling or imposing beliefs. > China has not had the imperial history There are a number of formerly, currently, and soon-to-be-no-longer sovereign countries that don't want to be part of China, but China pretends they're not occupying/colonizing them by insisting they have always been part of China.

mrtnmcc 5y ago
Control of actions and beliefs of citizens absolutely. But again that's to maintain internal stability. You'd need to give specific examples for the latter point.
- sterlind 5y ago
  forcing US airlines to label Taiwan as China in their maps? annexing Tibet? all the power they have over Mongolia? Telco equipment sold way underprice to members of the Belt and Road initiative? the South China sea? the power they exert over Chinese students studying abroad? none of those are internal. maybe you're right, depending on how you define citizens - though taking a page from the British empire, maybe everyone's a citizen!
- IncRnd 5y ago
  Taiwan

unobatbayar 5y ago

I just can't comprehend the fact that this kind of disgraceful, ignorant trash is coming out of a SpaceX Satellite Engineer.

3371 5y ago

I'm Taiwanese, I don't agree.

mrtnmcc 5y ago
But isn't that through the lens of of self-determinism? China sees Taiwan as a domestic conflict between ROC/PRC, i.e. that Taiwanese are Chinese ( Han). They would never say the same about the U.S. or Russia for example. Not saying China is correct, just that it's pointless to explain their actions or intent based on the wrong model of their values.
- 3371 5y ago
  No. >China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland is nonsense just like all the Chinese netizens who keep saying that "We Descendants of Yanhuang have 5000 years of history". Non-sense, PRC happened in 1949, and before that, it's a History of ethnicities from all over the land Conquer, Massacre, Annex and Integrate each other. EDIT: > China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs There are 56 ethnic groups in China, they may have different culture even religion, what do you think how China managed to make sure all 55 other then Han stay under control?
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  - mrtnmcc 5y ago
    "The estimated 1.4 billion Han Chinese people are mostly concentrated in the People's Republic of China (Mainland China), where they make up about 92% of the total population.[2] In the Republic of China (Taiwan), they make up about 97% of the population." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese Is that incorrect?
    - 3371 5y ago
      That does not means the 3% just go "Yeah let's become Chinese". And this is off-topic. The idea is simple: "China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland than conquering nation" does not stand. Conquering happens a lot on that land way before PRC is a thing.

Paradigma11 5y ago

China is an imperialistic hegemony. Just look at tibet or xinjiang. Completely with genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide and all. It is very easy to say that you are only interested in internal matters if you define as internal any territory your ppl had any interest in the last 2-3 millenia: https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/how-china-bending-rules-south-china-sea https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/how-china-bend... "Thus, Beijing’s narrative about its claims begins as early as the 2nd century BCE, when Chinese people sailed in the South China Sea and discovered some of the region’s land features."