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True, unvaccinated people are being hospitalized at a higher rate and for a longer duration. However, we are not talking about "the unvaccinated", rather about

True, unvaccinated people are being hospitalized at a higher rate and for a longer duration. However, we are not talking about "the unvaccinated", rather about "a tiny unfortunate fraction of unvaccinated people". There are 4,690 covid patients in ICU beds and 25M unvaccinated people. Assuming all covid ICU patients are unvaccinated, the covid ICU incidence rate within the unvaccinated population is 0.02%. For an analogy, we could reason that because the prison population skews 90/10 male/female, all males should either undergo a vasectomy, or pay a recurring 10k euro fine. I hope this is obviously unethical.

Klemotio 5y ago
Your prison thing is widely weird and not sure at all how you relate those two.things. Yes the point is to make sure that those ICU capacity which is very small and normally enough would and is struggling due to covid and vaccination helps. What is so hard to understand?
- angelzen 5y ago
  Vaccine mandates enforced by heavy fines and/or prison are criminalizing being unvaccinated with the number of "boosters" the authorities deem necessary. Justified by group "crime" statistic differentials. We may argue that it is done in service of a good cause, but it is still criminalizing. Our weird reality.
  - Klemotio 5y ago
    We are allowed to enforce a lot of things as a society. We banned toxic paint, we enforce certain vaccines (polio, measles) It's only logical to enforce a vaccine on people. Same as you will get reanimated when you have an accident. We formed and created rules around our society for a long time and those limitations are here for the good of all of us. A society can't be forced to have a medical oath and in parallel has to watch when people don't play along. You expect us to do the best to help you in an emergency and in parallel expect total freedom? Not how our society works. Srsly get over it.
    - dang 5y ago
      Could you please not post flamewar comments to HN? I'm afraid you've already broken the site guidelines more than once with this account. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Klemotio 5y ago

Your prison thing is widely weird and not sure at all how you relate those two.things. Yes the point is to make sure that those ICU capacity which is very small and normally enough would and is struggling due to covid and vaccination helps. What is so hard to understand?

angelzen 5y ago
Vaccine mandates enforced by heavy fines and/or prison are criminalizing being unvaccinated with the number of "boosters" the authorities deem necessary. Justified by group "crime" statistic differentials. We may argue that it is done in service of a good cause, but it is still criminalizing. Our weird reality.
- Klemotio 5y ago
  We are allowed to enforce a lot of things as a society. We banned toxic paint, we enforce certain vaccines (polio, measles) It's only logical to enforce a vaccine on people. Same as you will get reanimated when you have an accident. We formed and created rules around our society for a long time and those limitations are here for the good of all of us. A society can't be forced to have a medical oath and in parallel has to watch when people don't play along. You expect us to do the best to help you in an emergency and in parallel expect total freedom? Not how our society works. Srsly get over it.
  - dang 5y ago
    Could you please not post flamewar comments to HN? I'm afraid you've already broken the site guidelines more than once with this account. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.