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When all houses have sprinklers only sprinkler equipped houses will burn down. Still in absolute numbers there should be much less fires.

refurb 5y ago
Right, but the point is you still need more ICU capacity. The analogy is “every house has sprinklers so no need for a fire department any more”.
- kelnos 5y ago
  Do you, though? I see lots of numbers around hospitalizations, but how many (vaccinated) people hospitalized end up in the ICU?
  - m4rtink 5y ago
    From all the local reporting the overwhelming majority of people in Czech ICU are not vaccinated. A few examples - listing from a hard-case ICU in Ostrava for a week in November: https://mobile.twitter.com/VojtechGibis/status/1463608271378558981 https://mobile.twitter.com/VojtechGibis/status/1463608271378... NEOČKOVÁN - not vaccinated OČKOVÁN - vaccinated The last 5 patients are those that have been released from the unit in that week. The first two were move to less severe case ICU. The last three died... One more: https://mobile.twitter.com/VojtechGibis/status/1465783542982619140 https://mobile.twitter.com/VojtechGibis/status/1465783542982... Czech ICU occupancy - blue unvaccinated, orange vaccinated. And yes, we had several cases <30 years old and unfortunately even children on ICU.
  - refurb 5y ago
    Singapore does a great job of testing and the vaccination rate is >95% for the eligible population. Despite that, they have introduced restrictions due to ICU overload. https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics Look at "Proportion (%) of cases ever critically ill in ICU or died, by age and vaccination status" Looking at the high risk group of 80+ year old (43% of all ICU cases and/or deaths), the numbers are: unvaccinated (24%), partially vaccinated (16%) and fully vaccinated (3.2%). They don't define partially vaccinated (typically 14 days after 2nd dose). So clearly the vaccine reduces the risk of ICU/death, but the "truly" unvaccinated make up only 50% of ICU cases in that age group.

refurb 5y ago

Right, but the point is you still need more ICU capacity. The analogy is “every house has sprinklers so no need for a fire department any more”.

kelnos 5y ago
Do you, though? I see lots of numbers around hospitalizations, but how many (vaccinated) people hospitalized end up in the ICU?
- m4rtink 5y ago
  From all the local reporting the overwhelming majority of people in Czech ICU are not vaccinated. A few examples - listing from a hard-case ICU in Ostrava for a week in November: https://mobile.twitter.com/VojtechGibis/status/1463608271378558981 https://mobile.twitter.com/VojtechGibis/status/1463608271378... NEOČKOVÁN - not vaccinated OČKOVÁN - vaccinated The last 5 patients are those that have been released from the unit in that week. The first two were move to less severe case ICU. The last three died... One more: https://mobile.twitter.com/VojtechGibis/status/1465783542982619140 https://mobile.twitter.com/VojtechGibis/status/1465783542982... Czech ICU occupancy - blue unvaccinated, orange vaccinated. And yes, we had several cases <30 years old and unfortunately even children on ICU.
- refurb 5y ago
  Singapore does a great job of testing and the vaccination rate is >95% for the eligible population. Despite that, they have introduced restrictions due to ICU overload. https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics Look at "Proportion (%) of cases ever critically ill in ICU or died, by age and vaccination status" Looking at the high risk group of 80+ year old (43% of all ICU cases and/or deaths), the numbers are: unvaccinated (24%), partially vaccinated (16%) and fully vaccinated (3.2%). They don't define partially vaccinated (typically 14 days after 2nd dose). So clearly the vaccine reduces the risk of ICU/death, but the "truly" unvaccinated make up only 50% of ICU cases in that age group.