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I just love the complete lack of self-awareness. Russia and China bad, the US is good.

by nraynaud 5y ago

Afforess 5y ago
Narrotor Voice: Next up, Manifest Destiny, Imperialist Propoganda, or our glorious past!
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kelnos 5y ago
It's not a lack of self-awareness. It's propaganda. Of course the US military is going to paint the people attacking them as the bad guys, even though the US military is likely engaging in the same kinds of attacks.
ies7 5y ago
I read it as: US complained that their spy sattelites got attacked for spying.
knownjorbist 5y ago
Generally speaking, yes.
plandis 5y ago
You think that Putin and Xi are the good guys here? You really think the world would be a better place if the US let them be the world’s super powers?
- randomopining 5y ago
  These types lock onto a bad thing the US has done as the be all end all, and completely ignore the logically conclusion of a world controlled by Xi and Putin types… for example, none of this quality HN discussion would be available in Autocratica.
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  i’m on the US’s side, but for the fun of playing devil’s advocate, it could be that the US resisting the assent of Russia/China is the very thing that unifies them under totalitarianism (common threat and all that) - China and Russia might have had their governments overthrown already if it weren’t for the US giving them something to fight against. Every group turns toward infighting once the outside threat is defeated.
- nraynaud 5y ago
  the world is not manichean, the superpowers are thorns in the side to "deal" with day in, day out, for smaller nations. What's the point of view of the African nations where only China invests vs what the Uighurs think of the same government? What's the point of view of a NATO nation vs the point of view of the Afghans on the US? It's the same country that blocked the westward moving of the USSR and gave an entire country to the Talibans after having upset them. Or even worse, think of Irak, where nothing good came of the invasion, and nothing good was really foreseeable without the invasion anyways, no clear good vs bad here. Maybe a dictature kills less people and is more predictable than an open war, but that's hardly a manichean difference.
steve76 5y ago
A few fools here take foreign money and run their mouths and peace remains something you have to work for instead of something that's just there. The reckless ambition of an adolescent mind on a broadcast camera dooms us all. These great efforts should focus on genetic neurological regenerative medicine and xenotransplantation of the cardiac and hepatic systems. Leave entire oceans undefended. Make putting on armor and wielding instruments of ill-omen a historic barbaric relic, coarse self-inflicted plagues and natural disasters. Why? Spoiler alert. You die.

I just love the complete lack of self-awareness. Russia and China bad, the US is good.

Afforess 5y ago

Narrotor Voice: Next up, Manifest Destiny, Imperialist Propoganda, or our glorious past!

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kelnos 5y ago

It's not a lack of self-awareness. It's propaganda. Of course the US military is going to paint the people attacking them as the bad guys, even though the US military is likely engaging in the same kinds of attacks.

ies7 5y ago

I read it as: US complained that their spy sattelites got attacked for spying.

knownjorbist 5y ago

Generally speaking, yes.

plandis 5y ago

You think that Putin and Xi are the good guys here? You really think the world would be a better place if the US let them be the world’s super powers?

randomopining 5y ago
These types lock onto a bad thing the US has done as the be all end all, and completely ignore the logically conclusion of a world controlled by Xi and Putin types… for example, none of this quality HN discussion would be available in Autocratica.
jazzyjackson 5y ago
i’m on the US’s side, but for the fun of playing devil’s advocate, it could be that the US resisting the assent of Russia/China is the very thing that unifies them under totalitarianism (common threat and all that) - China and Russia might have had their governments overthrown already if it weren’t for the US giving them something to fight against. Every group turns toward infighting once the outside threat is defeated.
nraynaud 5y ago
the world is not manichean, the superpowers are thorns in the side to "deal" with day in, day out, for smaller nations. What's the point of view of the African nations where only China invests vs what the Uighurs think of the same government? What's the point of view of a NATO nation vs the point of view of the Afghans on the US? It's the same country that blocked the westward moving of the USSR and gave an entire country to the Talibans after having upset them. Or even worse, think of Irak, where nothing good came of the invasion, and nothing good was really foreseeable without the invasion anyways, no clear good vs bad here. Maybe a dictature kills less people and is more predictable than an open war, but that's hardly a manichean difference.

steve76 5y ago

A few fools here take foreign money and run their mouths and peace remains something you have to work for instead of something that's just there. The reckless ambition of an adolescent mind on a broadcast camera dooms us all. These great efforts should focus on genetic neurological regenerative medicine and xenotransplantation of the cardiac and hepatic systems. Leave entire oceans undefended. Make putting on armor and wielding instruments of ill-omen a historic barbaric relic, coarse self-inflicted plagues and natural disasters. Why? Spoiler alert. You die.