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Values such as politicians not insulting a group of people on television, not taking their rights away because they might potentially get sick eventually, gener

by nzk 5y ago

Values such as politicians not insulting a group of people on television, not taking their rights away because they might potentially get sick eventually, generally not judging before proven guilty, not forcing someone to put something in their body that they absolutely do not want, not punishing one person for another person's crime. Last one is what they're doing to you if you feel like unvaccinated people are holding you hostage. Lockdowns end when we stop enacting them, there is no reason (except governmental screw up) to insist that people who chose to take the risk must not get sick under any circumstances, or to assume that everyone must be in lockdown until every last soul is jabbed and boostered whether they want to or not.

kelnos 5y ago
> Values such as politicians [...] not taking their rights away, [...] not forcing someone to put something in their body that they absolutely do not want Vaccine mandates have been a thing for well longer than I've been alive. I wasn't allowed to attend public school as a kid without having been given several vaccines. Sure, there were anti-vax people and people with religious exemptions then, but the vast majority of the people who are up in arms and crying foul about COVID vaccination mandates didn't blink an eye when told they had to vaccinate their kids against the measles as a condition for sending them to school. Why the hypocrisy? > Lockdowns end when we stop enacting them We have lockdowns because we think they slow the spread of disease and save lives, not "just because". That's like saying "birthday parties end when we stop having them". Well, yeah, but that's a tautology and not a very useful point to make. > there is no reason [...] to assume that everyone must be in lockdown until every last soul is jabbed and boostered whether they want to or not. That seems like a straw man, though. Who is saying we have to lock everything down until everyone is vaccinated? What country has even tried to implement something like this? Some areas have certainly tied the relaxation of restrictions in some ways to vaccination rates, but the main concern for restriction levels is mostly other metrics, like new-case rates, hospitalizations, percent of ICU capacity used, death rate, etc. > there is no reason (except governmental screw up) to insist that people who chose to take the risk must not get sick under any circumstances Everyone who gets sick is a host for the virus to mutate in. Everyone who gets sick, or is even merely unvaccinated, runs a higher risk of passing on the disease to someone else. I am really really tired of the "it doesn't hurt anyone else if I don't get vaccinated" argument. Yes. It. Does. Full stop.
- daddylongstroke 5y ago
  Dude, where have you been. The viral load is the same in the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. The virus is mutating in the vaccinated as well as dogs, cats, deer, goats, llamas, bats, and likely most mammals. Ireland is 92% vaccinated in 12 and older population, and their cases are higher than they were when most of the country was unvaccinated. The vaccines don't appear to work as intended. Also, I'm from a generation and place where measles were no big deal. We all (including myself) had it, and got over it in 7 days. Many of our neighbourhoods had organized measles parties. Mass vaccinating for a disease that was already on its way out due to natural immunity, backfired spectacularly.

by nzk 5y ago

kelnos 5y ago

> Values such as politicians [...] not taking their rights away, [...] not forcing someone to put something in their body that they absolutely do not want Vaccine mandates have been a thing for well longer than I've been alive. I wasn't allowed to attend public school as a kid without having been given several vaccines. Sure, there were anti-vax people and people with religious exemptions then, but the vast majority of the people who are up in arms and crying foul about COVID vaccination mandates didn't blink an eye when told they had to vaccinate their kids against the measles as a condition for sending them to school. Why the hypocrisy? > Lockdowns end when we stop enacting them We have lockdowns because we think they slow the spread of disease and save lives, not "just because". That's like saying "birthday parties end when we stop having them". Well, yeah, but that's a tautology and not a very useful point to make. > there is no reason [...] to assume that everyone must be in lockdown until every last soul is jabbed and boostered whether they want to or not. That seems like a straw man, though. Who is saying we have to lock everything down until everyone is vaccinated? What country has even tried to implement something like this? Some areas have certainly tied the relaxation of restrictions in some ways to vaccination rates, but the main concern for restriction levels is mostly other metrics, like new-case rates, hospitalizations, percent of ICU capacity used, death rate, etc. > there is no reason (except governmental screw up) to insist that people who chose to take the risk must not get sick under any circumstances Everyone who gets sick is a host for the virus to mutate in. Everyone who gets sick, or is even merely unvaccinated, runs a higher risk of passing on the disease to someone else. I am really really tired of the "it doesn't hurt anyone else if I don't get vaccinated" argument. Yes. It. Does. Full stop.

daddylongstroke 5y ago
Dude, where have you been. The viral load is the same in the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. The virus is mutating in the vaccinated as well as dogs, cats, deer, goats, llamas, bats, and likely most mammals. Ireland is 92% vaccinated in 12 and older population, and their cases are higher than they were when most of the country was unvaccinated. The vaccines don't appear to work as intended. Also, I'm from a generation and place where measles were no big deal. We all (including myself) had it, and got over it in 7 days. Many of our neighbourhoods had organized measles parties. Mass vaccinating for a disease that was already on its way out due to natural immunity, backfired spectacularly.