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> This is nonsense, plastic is necessary and used all over the place mostly hidden from consumer eyes. my fist job leaving my home country was working as a PAD

> This is nonsense, plastic is necessary and used all over the place mostly hidden from consumer eyes. my fist job leaving my home country was working as a PADI diving instructor. We set up a small company in Colombo, Sri Lanka called "Adventure Sports Lanka" and hired a local fisherman in Unawatuna just outside Galle. We (dumb Brits) had no idea what we got ourselves into but because a civil war was also raging (another story) this guy who drove our boat supported his whole family with the salary that he made from acting as the "captain" of our diving boat. He took me and my students nearly every day out on his boat and waited patiently for us to get back to the surface and into the boat. Once I took out a student to teach them in an Advanced course about project A.W.A.R.E which is basically about how not to have impact on the environment as a diver, never leave anything behind etc. The student was a German girl who was very keen. When we got back from our dive our captain decided to throw an empty water (plastic) bottle back into the sea. I was incredibly embarrassed because he was on my payroll and I was just finishing a whole day of telling her (who was 100% a supporter of the Green party and much onboard with the whole program in this cursed course) about how well we take care about the environment as PADI divers. Getting back onto the boat I confronted the captain who just shrugged his shoulders and said: "but you know sometimes a bird comes. and they sit on the bottle. they are tired and they sit"- I had no words for him because I realized how far his reality was from mine. In a similar way I'm out of ideas because no matter what I say I know it's not going to reach you. peace.

colechristensen 5y ago
It’s not going to reach me because you don’t have a point besides a gut feeling and a sense of moral superiority. If you have no words then don’t use any, unlike what you’ve done here. If your opinions were driven by practical reason and concrete goals you could discuss them and even come to an understanding of different opinions based on differing priorities but instead it’s like I don’t believe in your god so you can’t fathom how to discuss your position.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  > it’s like I don’t believe in your god so you can’t fathom how to discuss your position I reflected on your comments and it's a shame because the interesting points you made got completely drowned out by you entering the chat with hostility: > This is nonsense, it's impossible for anyone not to immediately become defensive after reading this.
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    Too bad, your way of emotion driven arguments about the real problems the world faces is the threat to solving them and I am unapologetic for my hostility towards that attitude. If these problems are going to be solved, they will be by people who can survive and continue to engage with people that think their ideas are stupid. There are a lot of bad ideas out there and if we have to coddle them we’ll end up in exactly the echo chambers we already suffer from. Only willingness to be around people that disagree with you to the point they think you’re crazy and not take your toys and go home because people aren’t nice about your opinions is going to enable actual progress.
    - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
      > your way of emotion driven don't worry I don't feel a thing when being attacked because I assume the person doesn't know any better. Neither am I here to teach grown men something their mother failed at.
kansface 5y ago
> what we need is a total ban on any plastics... I'm out of ideas because no matter what I say I know it's not going to reach you. You're proposed solution would cause the deaths of at least tens of millions of people yearly and would undoubtedly push a huge chunk of society worldwide into abject poverty. This is among the worse solutions I can think of to address the problem of plastic pollution in Asia.

colechristensen 5y ago

It’s not going to reach me because you don’t have a point besides a gut feeling and a sense of moral superiority. If you have no words then don’t use any, unlike what you’ve done here. If your opinions were driven by practical reason and concrete goals you could discuss them and even come to an understanding of different opinions based on differing priorities but instead it’s like I don’t believe in your god so you can’t fathom how to discuss your position.

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
> it’s like I don’t believe in your god so you can’t fathom how to discuss your position I reflected on your comments and it's a shame because the interesting points you made got completely drowned out by you entering the chat with hostility: > This is nonsense, it's impossible for anyone not to immediately become defensive after reading this.
- colechristensen 5y ago
  Too bad, your way of emotion driven arguments about the real problems the world faces is the threat to solving them and I am unapologetic for my hostility towards that attitude. If these problems are going to be solved, they will be by people who can survive and continue to engage with people that think their ideas are stupid. There are a lot of bad ideas out there and if we have to coddle them we’ll end up in exactly the echo chambers we already suffer from. Only willingness to be around people that disagree with you to the point they think you’re crazy and not take your toys and go home because people aren’t nice about your opinions is going to enable actual progress.
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    > your way of emotion driven don't worry I don't feel a thing when being attacked because I assume the person doesn't know any better. Neither am I here to teach grown men something their mother failed at.

kansface 5y ago

> what we need is a total ban on any plastics... I'm out of ideas because no matter what I say I know it's not going to reach you. You're proposed solution would cause the deaths of at least tens of millions of people yearly and would undoubtedly push a huge chunk of society worldwide into abject poverty. This is among the worse solutions I can think of to address the problem of plastic pollution in Asia.