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Yes the vaccine doesn't kill it, but what would kill it is a REAL lock down. Give everyone 2 months of salary, and 2 months of food. Nationalize food productio
by jermaustin1 5y ago
Yes the vaccine doesn't kill it, but what would kill it is a REAL lock down.
Give everyone 2 months of salary, and 2 months of food. Nationalize food production for a month, give everyone shelf stable terrible food, the same crap that the majority of the anti-vaxxers have been hoarding for decades.
Its like a pretend apocalypse. They should LOVE it.
- Syonyk 5y agoHow do you keep things like "power plants" and "water systems" running in this proposal? Either you allow so many exceptions that it's worthless, or you literally shut down modern civilization. It's far from clear that it can be blackstarted.
- systemvoltage 5y agoOne leak in the population of 7 billion and the whole plan is a waste.
- crooked-v 5y agoUnfortunately, that wouldn't really help long term, because the disease has spread through animal populations by now. The only way to reliably stop this from being an ongoing pandemic is measures that reduce the R-value below 1 in a long-term manner, like mass vaccinations.
- gojomo 5y agoThe high rates of breakthroughs mean even very-highly-vaxxed populations have had case surges. Rt is going to oscillate around 1, forever.
- rbanffy 5y agoEven if it’s around 1 forever, if the effects are mild as they are with vaccinated people, it’ll be manageable as flu is.
- jokethrowaway 5y agoSince the weaker among us died with the first wave, it was already as manageable as the flu. The mortality under 70 is pretty low.
- rbanffy 5y agoWould we be happy to let 1% of the survivors die? Would 2% be acceptable?
- angelzen 5y agoAs I already replied elsewhere in this thread, as of 12/02/2021 German CDC estimates 7-day R-value as 0.92. That is below 1. https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Dez_2021/2021-12-02-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...
- crooked-v 5y agoThe 7-day R-value with current vaccination rates and local restrictions, yes.
- Xylakant 5y agoAnd, additionally, with overwhelmed laboratories that are underreporting the infections because they can no longer test all samples.
- angelzen 5y agoTrue. Thank you for acknowledging the point and adding further qualifications. Public discourse is rather disheartening. The options are either 100% vaccination or 0% vaccination, either strict house confinement or nightly clubbing, either masking while hiking in the woods or no masks ever. Life is a rich tradeoff of a myriad factors, somehow we reduced it to a handful of black/white binaries.
- gojomo 5y agoCOVID fear creates that sort of warped fantasy. But few nations are totalitarian enough to carry that out. And large reservoirs of COVID would remain in wild animals, and other countries, and groups (like the elites & their children, or remote communities) that can't practically be forced to comply.
- prohobo 5y agoUtter insanity. Who told you a "real" lockdown would stop the virus? Where did you get this "fact" from?
- rbanffy 5y agoIn theory, if no household has any contact with any other household, the virus will be unable to propagate and will quickly die off. A perfect lockdown would stop a human-only pandemic immediately by stopping all transmission. Unfortunately, this virus infect other animals as well. Good luck locking them down.
- smorgusofborg 5y agoThere are numerous reasons why we are incapable of a perfect lockdown of a region of any reasonable scale even before economic concerns. So it's use as a solution is more of a whataboutism for not considering reasonable actions.
- tick_tock_tick 5y agoHow will you address the animal reserves? This virus is not eradicable.
- m4rtink 5y agoDo we know it can actually stay in animals long term in a form compatible with humans?
- stkdump 5y agoI don't think this is true. The virus can survive in some for a long time. Same as with the flu. I think the endemic phase is absolutely inevitable. The only question is how long does it take, and how many people will be killed in the process. Both can only be reduced with vaxxination.
- tablespoon 5y ago>> Yes the vaccine doesn't kill it, but what would kill it is a REAL lock down. >>> Give everyone 2 months of salary, and 2 months of food. Nationalize food production for a month, give everyone shelf stable terrible food, the same crap that the majority of the anti-vaxxers have been hoarding for decades. > Utter insanity. Who told you a "real" lockdown would stop the virus? Where did you get this "fact" from? It stands to reason. An extreme lockdown as described will cause a virus to go extinct provided: 1) animal reservoirs are insignificant, 2) the immune system can clear the virus within the lockdown time, and 3) people actually comply. Exceptions to 2 & 3 can likely be dealt if the lockdown is paired with and intensive testing and contact tracing program. All of these things are likely true, because China and other countries have actually been successful at maintaining a Covid-zero policy (at great cost).
- 14 5y agoI agree that is the only way but it better be my day off when the lockdown happens. How would nursing home staff stay locked down? Or other people critical to ensuring we have power or that our water treatment plants keep running. But I do agree a more aggressive lock down could work but we will never be able again to do something like that. Not unless it starts killing people like Ebola and everyone in those jobs says screw it I quit and walks away.
- swader999 5y agoYou ignore that this virus lives and will persist in animal reservoirs. It can creep right back in after any real lockdown you could imagine.
- ed_balls 5y agoAlso people with weak immunity e.g. HIV positive, can stay infected for months.
- jokethrowaway 5y agoWhy stop at that? Let's just switch to Universal Basic Income and enforce total lockdown to kill COVID and then to save the environment! Enough of those pesky tourists as well with their polluting jets! \s because people may, sadly, took it seriously
- Eelongate 5y agoYou can't send everybody home for two months, even if you give everybody two months of shelf stable food. Somebody needs to keep the utilities running. People still need fresh water to bath with, to wash their shit away. You might expect people to buy enough bottled water to drink for two months, but not enough to stay sanitary. And it's not just water; the power companies still need manpower to stay on, garbage still needs to be collected, plumbers still need to clear clogs and fix broken pipes. You clearly haven't given this idea of yours much serious consideration, so why should anybody else take it seriously?
- shmel 5y agoYep, shut down energy production as well, these key workers will also stay at home. Just 2 months without electricity and internet, I am sure you will manage cowboy.