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Good. Here's hoping the US follows suit. Thankfully the Supreme Court has already settled the constitutionality issue: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles

Good. Here's hoping the US follows suit. Thankfully the Supreme Court has already settled the constitutionality issue: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1449224/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1449224/

UnpossibleJim 5y ago
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality This is "A law that authorizes mandatory vaccination during an epidemic of a lethal disease". Now, I'm vaccinated and support vaccination (though, I'm on the fence about forced vaccination - though I do think it can be a fire-able offense, if you can't telecommute). However, does 1.6% reach the bar of a "sufficiently lethal" disease, especially now that our medical system has regained its footing and is more capable of handling the number of patients now that vaccination rates have reached 70%? Bodily autonomy is an important right. Forced sterilization, as referred to in the article, was a nightmare. Forced mental care facility commitment, was/is fraught with abuse, especially when we consider lobotomies. Granted, this is nowhere near that, I will agree. But, as you say, precedents will be set about what is or is not legal to circumvent for body autonomy due to an epidemic of a lethal disease. Is social unrest use a lethal disease, caused by social media? Should steps be taken to "inoculate" us from ourselves?
- jasonhansel 5y ago
  Keep in mind: chickenpox is almost never lethal, and many school districts already require the chickenpox vaccine.
  - UnpossibleJim 5y ago
    Again, I'm fine with it being a fire-able offense if you can't telecommute. That's a business policy and not a state mandate with punishment for noncompliance. I say this as someone who supports vaccines and is vaccinated. As far as schooling goes, the infrastructure has been set up for tele-schooling already, should someone choose to not be vaccinated. There are inconveniences with choices, of course. I wore a mask and stayed at home to "stop the spread". It was an inconvenience, but it was a choice I made. The right choice, I think, but it wasn't a choice made at the end of a gun where I'd be put in a cage if I didn't comply.
abduhl 5y ago
"Even in an emergency, when there is a rapidly spreading contagious disease and an effective vaccine, the state is not permitted to forcibly vaccinate or medicate anyone."

UnpossibleJim 5y ago

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality This is "A law that authorizes mandatory vaccination during an epidemic of a lethal disease". Now, I'm vaccinated and support vaccination (though, I'm on the fence about forced vaccination - though I do think it can be a fire-able offense, if you can't telecommute). However, does 1.6% reach the bar of a "sufficiently lethal" disease, especially now that our medical system has regained its footing and is more capable of handling the number of patients now that vaccination rates have reached 70%? Bodily autonomy is an important right. Forced sterilization, as referred to in the article, was a nightmare. Forced mental care facility commitment, was/is fraught with abuse, especially when we consider lobotomies. Granted, this is nowhere near that, I will agree. But, as you say, precedents will be set about what is or is not legal to circumvent for body autonomy due to an epidemic of a lethal disease. Is social unrest use a lethal disease, caused by social media? Should steps be taken to "inoculate" us from ourselves?

jasonhansel 5y ago
Keep in mind: chickenpox is almost never lethal, and many school districts already require the chickenpox vaccine.
- UnpossibleJim 5y ago
  Again, I'm fine with it being a fire-able offense if you can't telecommute. That's a business policy and not a state mandate with punishment for noncompliance. I say this as someone who supports vaccines and is vaccinated. As far as schooling goes, the infrastructure has been set up for tele-schooling already, should someone choose to not be vaccinated. There are inconveniences with choices, of course. I wore a mask and stayed at home to "stop the spread". It was an inconvenience, but it was a choice I made. The right choice, I think, but it wasn't a choice made at the end of a gun where I'd be put in a cage if I didn't comply.

abduhl 5y ago

"Even in an emergency, when there is a rapidly spreading contagious disease and an effective vaccine, the state is not permitted to forcibly vaccinate or medicate anyone."