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Doesn't say anything, death rates are not constant, it always varies a lot ever year by year. Did 2020 have excessive mortality per capita compared to other yea

• Swenrekcah 5y ago
  This is false, you have been misinformed. See here, and compare for instance Sweden with their neighbours Norway and Finland. https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/17/eu-excess-deaths-in-2020-country-by-country-breakdown-of-covid-19-s-impact https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/17/eu-excess-deaths-in-2020...
  • jseban 5y ago
    It doesn't make any sense to compare it to neighboring countries, you need to compare the same country to previous years. That's the real interesting statistic, and the one that nobody is showing you. Because it's not dramatic enough..
    • Swenrekcah 5y ago
      The graph is exactly that. Each country’s excess mortality compared to that countries previous years. The comparison with neighbours is to gleam the effects of their differing mitigation strategies.
      • jseban 5y ago
        I looked at it again, it's only comparing to the average, without knowing the standard deviation it doesn't really say much. "2020 was above average" yeah we know that, but was it higher than a "usual" year? No it wasn't, and you can't draw that conclusion by comparing it to the average. Also it looks like they are doing the comparison month by month which doesn't make much sense since this will vary a lot of course...
        • Swenrekcah 5y ago
          This data is compiled by professional statisticians. Deaths aren't evenly distributed throughout the year. High-traffic seasons will cause a spike, very cold or hot weather, etc. So month-by-month comparison is reasonable. Doing that also shows in the graphs when the waves hit various countries. I agree, it's missing the standard deviation though. (But again, look at the graphs, you'll see a difference of 10, perhaps 20% fluctuating around zero, and then suddenly a wave of 60,80,100% more deaths. It's unlikely a coincidence.
          • jseban 5y ago
            month-by-month doesn't make sense because the flu doesn't happen at the same month each year, and yes without at least also the standard deviation, it doesn't say anything. Just seeing that the temperature is below average outside doesn't say anything about the question: do we have abnormal weather? Is there a crisis? And even if this years winter is colder than the last three years, still doesn't mean that it's abnormal. It needs to be a statistical outlier to be abnormal, it needs to be statistically significant. Why are they not showing previous years? Why are sample sizes deliberately small when we have more data? Why don't we see basic required numbers such as standard deviation, median, percentiles? It's all clickbait bullshit
            • Swenrekcah 5y ago
              This is all public data. If you think there’s some big conspiracy you can look it up yourself, calculate how the data show COVID is no big deal and then share the results.
              • jseban 5y ago
                Yeah I already looked at the public data and did the calculations, and I am sharing the results as I've said in other comments, and I challenge anyone to disprove me with another opinion that holds up to normal basic statistical scrutiny, and not some misleading clickbait bullshit
• crooked-v 5y ago
  > Did 2020 have excessive mortality per capita compared to other years or not? No it didn't. Yes, it did. The statistics are pretty obvious: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
  • jseban 5y ago
    I'm saying compared to other years. That link does not compare to other years, it only compared 2020 to itself.
    • crooked-v 5y ago
      > Counts of deaths in the most recent weeks were compared with historical trends (from 2013 to present) to determine whether the number of deaths in recent weeks was significantly higher than expected, using Farrington surveillance algorithms (1).
      • jseban 5y ago
        I just want to know year by year death rate per capita, and average, and standard deviation. That's the only way I can draw the conclusion "is there anything abnormal going on"
        • daddylongstroke 5y ago
          All cause mortality in Sweden is flat and significantly lower than the last 20 years or so.