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...without... ...petrochemical insecticides... Organic (CNHO) chemicals aren't in the slightest dependent on petroleum, it is only a passing quirk of the earl
by eelmeal 15y ago
...without...
...petrochemical insecticides...
Organic (CNHO) chemicals aren't in the slightest dependent on petroleum, it is only a passing quirk of the early 21st-century economy that oil and natural gas byproducts are the most common chemical feedstocks. CNHO atoms are everywhere on earth, and they're not going anywhere (mass doesn't leave the earth, for the most part). Basic organic chemistry building-blocks, e.g. ethylene, are not much more difficult to obtain from biological matter (e.g. ethanol) than from oil/gas. Organic chemistry -- insecticides, plastics, pharma, what have you -- isn't going anywhere, and this is all a silly misunderstanding from confused Malthusians.
...aquifers...
...artificial irrigation...
There's no theoretical limit to artificial irrigation (well there is, but it's ludicrous). In refutation: nuclear or solar powered ocean desalination plants, with aqueducts, large pipes, or underground canals piping freshwater inland -- thousands of miles if need be. Elementary, existing technology, and I think not too far from economic feasibility even today. Desalination is already economic (if not directly competitive with natural freshwater sources, when they are available) -- lots of it in the Middle East, Southeast Asia. Aqueducts are ancient technology.
...phosphorus fertilizers...
Nothing stopping us from recycling phosphorus -- it's not like we're flinging it off the earth into space. The whole earth is a closed cycle for chemicals -- water, CNOH, trace minerals, all of them sustainable. Since the issue is framed as "maximum theoretical", well, in the limit we can ion-exchange phosphorus out of the seas -- the ultimate repository for "used" phosphorus. (Although in the nearer term there's more simple resolutions, like preventing runoff waste, recovery from sewers/rivers, mining new types of phosphorus minerals, etc.)
But the green revolution is totally unsustainable.
Ignorance is totally unsustainable. Please conserve.
- rubashov 15y agoIrrigation always builds up salt in the soil. Areas of California are falling out of production for this reason, after a good 100 year run. Irrigation is what turned much of the middle east into desert. The rest of your points I guess boil down to needing infinite cheap energy. Anything's possible with massive amounts of free power, I suppose. I wouldn't bet on it.
- onemoreact 15y agoLarge areas of China, Egypt, ect have been under continuous irrigation for thousands of years and they can still grow just fine. If California is having issues with irrigation over what 100 years then it's a separate issue. They probably do have issues due to the amount of rainfall vs. irrigation and their crop rotation etc. But, it's not really an issue with irrigation just their approach to irrigation. Desalination also gives you the option to have much lower salinity than river water which should allow areas like California to cope with this issue.