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And are those spikes in deaths at nursing homes not normal? Is that not how things always and usually work? Do people at nursing homes not die mostly in the win

• onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
  The average death rate for people in nursing homes for an entire year wasn't even as high as the death rate was for just a few week period: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-nursinghome/swedish-watchdog-finds-serious-failures-in-covid-care-at-nursing-homes-idUSKBN2841FN https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden... Almost ~3200 people died in nursing homes in a couple of months at the beginning of the pandemic. There's ~95k people in nursing homes. That's 3.3%... These deaths still account for ~1/5th of all Sweden's covid deaths. Hence, when people say 5x as many people died in Sweden - a full 1x of that is from the early nursing home no-strategy.
  • jseban 5y ago
    Doesn't say anything, death rates are not constant, it always varies a lot ever year by year. Did 2020 have excessive mortality per capita compared to other years or not? No it didn't. It doesn't matter if you find some anecdote. Everyone knows death rate was high in peak covid. As it always is in peak flu season, so what, the year was well within standard deviation
    • Swenrekcah 5y ago
      This is false, you have been misinformed. See here, and compare for instance Sweden with their neighbours Norway and Finland. https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/17/eu-excess-deaths-in-2020-country-by-country-breakdown-of-covid-19-s-impact https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/17/eu-excess-deaths-in-2020...
      • jseban 5y ago
        It doesn't make any sense to compare it to neighboring countries, you need to compare the same country to previous years. That's the real interesting statistic, and the one that nobody is showing you. Because it's not dramatic enough..
        • Swenrekcah 5y ago
          The graph is exactly that. Each country’s excess mortality compared to that countries previous years. The comparison with neighbours is to gleam the effects of their differing mitigation strategies.
          • jseban 5y ago
            I looked at it again, it's only comparing to the average, without knowing the standard deviation it doesn't really say much. "2020 was above average" yeah we know that, but was it higher than a "usual" year? No it wasn't, and you can't draw that conclusion by comparing it to the average. Also it looks like they are doing the comparison month by month which doesn't make much sense since this will vary a lot of course...
            • Swenrekcah 5y ago
              This data is compiled by professional statisticians. Deaths aren't evenly distributed throughout the year. High-traffic seasons will cause a spike, very cold or hot weather, etc. So month-by-month comparison is reasonable. Doing that also shows in the graphs when the waves hit various countries. I agree, it's missing the standard deviation though. (But again, look at the graphs, you'll see a difference of 10, perhaps 20% fluctuating around zero, and then suddenly a wave of 60,80,100% more deaths. It's unlikely a coincidence.
              • jseban 5y ago
                month-by-month doesn't make sense because the flu doesn't happen at the same month each year, and yes without at least also the standard deviation, it doesn't say anything. Just seeing that the temperature is below average outside doesn't say anything about the question: do we have abnormal weather? Is there a crisis? And even if this years winter is colder than the last three years, still doesn't mean that it's abnormal. It needs to be a statistical outlier to be abnormal, it needs to be statistically significant. Why are they not showing previous years? Why are sample sizes deliberately small when we have more data? Why don't we see basic required numbers such as standard deviation, median, percentiles? It's all clickbait bullshit
    • crooked-v 5y ago
      > Did 2020 have excessive mortality per capita compared to other years or not? No it didn't. Yes, it did. The statistics are pretty obvious: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
      • jseban 5y ago
        I'm saying compared to other years. That link does not compare to other years, it only compared 2020 to itself.
        • crooked-v 5y ago
          > Counts of deaths in the most recent weeks were compared with historical trends (from 2013 to present) to determine whether the number of deaths in recent weeks was significantly higher than expected, using Farrington surveillance algorithms (1).
          • jseban 5y ago
            I just want to know year by year death rate per capita, and average, and standard deviation. That's the only way I can draw the conclusion "is there anything abnormal going on"
            • daddylongstroke 5y ago
              All cause mortality in Sweden is flat and significantly lower than the last 20 years or so.