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I'm conflicted. As an NVDA holder, I'm disappointed. As a tech lover, this is for the best.
by bobsmooth 5y ago
I'm conflicted. As an NVDA holder, I'm disappointed. As a tech lover, this is for the best.
- Dracophoenix 5y agoIs it? Nvidia gave plenty of good examples of what it has been able to accomplish with ARM tech in their previous keynotes. If anything, I've come around from thinking this was simply a power play on Nvidia's part, to seeing this merger as a win-win-win for Nvidia, the ARM ISA, and ISA competition as a whole.
- bobsmooth 5y agoWhatever neat things Nvidia is doing with ARM can be done with ARM being independent.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoCan you show evidence of this? There has never been a good open ARM processor for mobile computing ever, the Jetson is the best open one while the Apple chips and M1 is the technically best one.
- bobsmooth 5y agoYou answered your own question. Nivida doesn't need to own the entirety of the mobile processor market.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoSo then they’re no good reason to block it. They would do a better job than it currently it currently is in now, mobile processors aren’t all ARM either.
- mijoharas 5y ago> mobile processors aren’t all ARM either How many non-Arm mobile processors are there?
- GhettoComputers 5y agoMost of them. I think of an ASIC and FPGA, what do you mean mobile?
- mijoharas 5y agoI took "mobile processors" to mean "mobile phone CPU". (and even if it's not the main CPU, I believe most of the chips in a modern mobile phone tend to be arm based).
- Dracophoenix 5y agoNvidia is building ARM supercomputers. The only other company that has shown interest in ARM supercomputer chips is Fujitsu. The ARM ISA has mostly been left to mobile chips, low-powered computer kits, and experimental desktop computing (StrongARM,XScale, etc.) decades since its inception. If ARM, inc. or Softbank were interested in high-powered chips, either of these companies would have done it by now. But they haven't. Nvidia is the kick in the rear needed to push the ARM instruction set further.
- klelatti 5y agoAWS Graviton and Ampere are both based on Arm Neoverse designs. Plus Apple M1. Arm ISA does not need Nvidia for a ‘kick in the rear’.
- Dracophoenix 5y agoAll very recent developments, but they all have limitations. Graviton is meant for data centers, Ampere is a GPU solution. M1's top configuration, while impressive in the prosumer space, is barely past the teraflop barrier. I doubt Apple and Amazon have any plans to build HPCs.
- klelatti 5y agoIf only HPC counts as powerful then you’ve already quoted that Nvidia and Fujitsu are using Arm under the existing ownership structure. > If ARM, inc. or Softbank were interested in high-powered chips, either of these companies would have done it by now. But they haven't. Just factually incorrect given what is happening at the moment with Neoverse. (And Ampere Computing not the Nvidia GPU design)
- GhettoComputers 5y agoTegra from a tech lover standpoint is awesome. Nobody making ARM is good with drivers off the top of my head. Qualcomm with their shitty non updated drivers is BS compared to the updated Jetson.
- throwaway2048 5y agoAnd nvidia can keep making tegra, even without buying out ARM
- GhettoComputers 5y agoGreat if you don’t need better hardware. But they’ll never be able to make an APU like AMD.
- throwaway2048 5y agoHuh? Apple doesn't own ARM either, and have a GPU with an ARM CPU, Nvidia has an architectural license just like Apple does.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoGPU with ARM CPU isn’t an APU.
- throwaway2048 5y agoApples CPU design is absolutely an APU, I advise knowing what the market actually looks like before constantly posting.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoCare to post a source? Why doesn’t the SoC mention APUs but mentions Intel CULV? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_on_a_chip https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_on_a_chip