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The death rate in Sweden is more like 2x higher (1.3% vs 0.6% for the other countries) [1], since its population is double the other countries. Still signfica

by danans 5y ago

The death rate in Sweden is more like 2x higher (1.3% vs 0.6% for the other countries) [1], since its population is double the other countries. Still signficantly worse than its Nordic neighbors, though. 1. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality EDIT: I stand corrected - I confused the case-fatality-rate number with the mortality rate, which is much worse for Sweden than its neighbors.

op00to 5y ago
Why would the rate be higher in higher population countries?
- danans 5y ago
  That's not what I said. I just said that the rate more like 2x higher in Sweden when considering population - but I was incorrectly reading the case-fatality rate. The actual mortality rate is much worse in Sweden. The GP was comparing raw mortality counts, which isn't meaningful without dividing by population. The difference in mortality rates is complex, but public policy around masking and gathering in groups has a significant effect. Sweden's relatively lax restrictions probably play a big role in their higher mortality rates and case fatality rates
ajross 5y ago
That's a CFR study, it reports how likely a detected infection is to result in death. It's intended to measure how effectively a nation's health care system treated infections. Total per-capita covid deaths in Sweden covid are indeed about 3x those in Denmark, and closer to 5-6x those in Norwan & Finland. Sweden did a little bit better than the USA (about 50% higher still), but not relative to its neighbors: https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Sweden&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=Norway%2CFinland%2CDenmark%2CUnited%20States&extraData=&extraDataScale=#countries-normalized https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countr...
- danans 5y ago
  You're absolutely right. I should have looked at the deaths per 100k population column.
- pigeonhole123 5y ago
  Where do you think these deaths come from? Do you think the health services in Sweden were overwhelmed?
  - ajross 5y ago
    At times, yeah. The closer you get to capacity the more the staff are overworked, the more likely you are to be attached to the old/cranky/unreliable ventilator, the more likely you are to be seen by fill-in staff pulled from other departments, the more likely it is that your hospital will run out of some medication and have to substitute, etc... So all other things being equal, you'd expect CFRs to rise with case load. Probably not linearly, but measurably.
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by danans 5y ago

op00to 5y ago

Why would the rate be higher in higher population countries?

danans 5y ago
That's not what I said. I just said that the rate more like 2x higher in Sweden when considering population - but I was incorrectly reading the case-fatality rate. The actual mortality rate is much worse in Sweden. The GP was comparing raw mortality counts, which isn't meaningful without dividing by population. The difference in mortality rates is complex, but public policy around masking and gathering in groups has a significant effect. Sweden's relatively lax restrictions probably play a big role in their higher mortality rates and case fatality rates

ajross 5y ago

That's a CFR study, it reports how likely a detected infection is to result in death. It's intended to measure how effectively a nation's health care system treated infections. Total per-capita covid deaths in Sweden covid are indeed about 3x those in Denmark, and closer to 5-6x those in Norwan & Finland. Sweden did a little bit better than the USA (about 50% higher still), but not relative to its neighbors: https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Sweden&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=Norway%2CFinland%2CDenmark%2CUnited%20States&extraData=&extraDataScale=#countries-normalized https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countr...

danans 5y ago
You're absolutely right. I should have looked at the deaths per 100k population column.
pigeonhole123 5y ago
Where do you think these deaths come from? Do you think the health services in Sweden were overwhelmed?
- ajross 5y ago
  At times, yeah. The closer you get to capacity the more the staff are overworked, the more likely you are to be attached to the old/cranky/unreliable ventilator, the more likely you are to be seen by fill-in staff pulled from other departments, the more likely it is that your hospital will run out of some medication and have to substitute, etc... So all other things being equal, you'd expect CFRs to rise with case load. Probably not linearly, but measurably.

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