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As far as I know, the latest research says that more than half (!) of people experience fatigue and other symptoms after 6 months. I don’t know if lockdowns are

by airza 5y ago

As far as I know, the latest research says that more than half (!) of people experience fatigue and other symptoms after 6 months. I don’t know if lockdowns are the right solution, but if the modal outcome is chronic fatigue than it seems a little flippant to call someone a hypochondriac.

arsome 5y ago
A vague symptom like "fatigue" is also one of the most commonly reported symptoms of placebos.
Eelongate 5y ago
When people claiming to suffer from long covid are tested for antibodies, a substantial portion of them are revealed to have never had covid in the first place. And anecdotally, every last person I personally know that claims long covid is a person I already knew to be a hypochondriac. I do believe some people will have lingering respiratory problems, as is the case for all viral respiratory illnesses. But I don't think there is much more to it than that, and I think most of the complaints come from the sort of people who always think they have the latest trendy affliction.
- xg15 5y ago
  > When people claiming to suffer from long covid are tested for antibodies, a substantial portion of them are revealed to have never had covid in the first place. Source?
  - leesalminen 5y ago
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2785832 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...
    - xg15 5y ago
      As a counterpoint, I can find this meta-study: https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/themedreview/living-with-covid19/#Key https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/themedreview/living-with-covid19... > There is a widespread perception that people either die, get admitted to hospital or recover after two weeks. It is increasingly clear that for some people there is a distinct pathway of ongoing effects. There is an urgent need to better understand the symptom journey and the clinical risks that underlie that. People, their families and healthcare professionals need realistic expectations about what to expect.
      - leesalminen 5y ago
        It appears that this is from October 2020 with some links updated in January 2021. So, it's nearly a year old. My citation is from November 2021. Surely we've learned a significant amount about COVID in 2021. Of course, these days, anyone can link to a "study" about anything that says anything you want it to say.
        xg15 5y ago
        I mean, i just took that study from the Wikipedia page on long covid. What you linked may be valid, but so far has zero citations and various critical discussion going on in the comments. Is this already published at all or is it a preprint? I don't have enough time or knowledge to assess the validity of the claims, but based on that, the study I found on Wikipedia seems more trustworthy to me.
lambdaba 5y ago
There was a study recently published that showed that long covid was correlated with personal belief of having had covid and not having actually had it (antibodies), in other words, vast majority is psychosomatic which is frankly what you'd expect in the current climate of hysteria. Conversely another very real phenomenon is fear induced immunosupression, to which all of these overreactive measures and constant media bombardment are greatly contributing.
rytcio 5y ago
I would like to know who in the world ISN'T fatigued. I'd go into work and everyone is tired and fatigued...
MisterBastahrd 5y ago
Parasmia, phantosmia, chronic fatigue, and narcolepsy (and I am an incredibly stubborn person when it comes go "keep on keeping on"). It's always an interesting new day when I'm sitting at my desk at the office and don't know whether I'm going to smell diesel fuel, dog shit, burnt toast, or one of another random smells. Also, tap water tastes like ditto paper used to smell, so that's fun.

by airza 5y ago

arsome 5y ago

A vague symptom like "fatigue" is also one of the most commonly reported symptoms of placebos.

Eelongate 5y ago

When people claiming to suffer from long covid are tested for antibodies, a substantial portion of them are revealed to have never had covid in the first place. And anecdotally, every last person I personally know that claims long covid is a person I already knew to be a hypochondriac. I do believe some people will have lingering respiratory problems, as is the case for all viral respiratory illnesses. But I don't think there is much more to it than that, and I think most of the complaints come from the sort of people who always think they have the latest trendy affliction.

xg15 5y ago
> When people claiming to suffer from long covid are tested for antibodies, a substantial portion of them are revealed to have never had covid in the first place. Source?
- leesalminen 5y ago
  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2785832 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...
  - xg15 5y ago
    As a counterpoint, I can find this meta-study: https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/themedreview/living-with-covid19/#Key https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/themedreview/living-with-covid19... > There is a widespread perception that people either die, get admitted to hospital or recover after two weeks. It is increasingly clear that for some people there is a distinct pathway of ongoing effects. There is an urgent need to better understand the symptom journey and the clinical risks that underlie that. People, their families and healthcare professionals need realistic expectations about what to expect.
    - leesalminen 5y ago
      It appears that this is from October 2020 with some links updated in January 2021. So, it's nearly a year old. My citation is from November 2021. Surely we've learned a significant amount about COVID in 2021. Of course, these days, anyone can link to a "study" about anything that says anything you want it to say.
      - xg15 5y ago
        I mean, i just took that study from the Wikipedia page on long covid. What you linked may be valid, but so far has zero citations and various critical discussion going on in the comments. Is this already published at all or is it a preprint? I don't have enough time or knowledge to assess the validity of the claims, but based on that, the study I found on Wikipedia seems more trustworthy to me.

lambdaba 5y ago

There was a study recently published that showed that long covid was correlated with personal belief of having had covid and not having actually had it (antibodies), in other words, vast majority is psychosomatic which is frankly what you'd expect in the current climate of hysteria. Conversely another very real phenomenon is fear induced immunosupression, to which all of these overreactive measures and constant media bombardment are greatly contributing.

rytcio 5y ago

I would like to know who in the world ISN'T fatigued. I'd go into work and everyone is tired and fatigued...

MisterBastahrd 5y ago

Parasmia, phantosmia, chronic fatigue, and narcolepsy (and I am an incredibly stubborn person when it comes go "keep on keeping on"). It's always an interesting new day when I'm sitting at my desk at the office and don't know whether I'm going to smell diesel fuel, dog shit, burnt toast, or one of another random smells. Also, tap water tastes like ditto paper used to smell, so that's fun.