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Not really, though: * Sweden: 1,485 * Denmark: 500 * Finland: 244 * Norway: 199 * Iceland (not really a neighbour, being a 1000 miles away, accross an ocea

by throw20211202 5y ago

Not really, though: * Sweden: 1,485 * Denmark: 500 * Finland: 244 * Norway: 199 * Iceland (not really a neighbour, being a 1000 miles away, accross an ocean): 102 Some more random cherrypicking: * USA: 2,414 * Italy: 2,221 * Belgium: 2,322 * UK: 2,124 * Russia: 1,901 * Peru: 5,984 Deaths per million capita, as of 2nd december 2021, from[1]. [1] All numbers from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

user-the-name 5y ago
Pretty sure 1485 is nearly 10x 199.
- ajvs 5y ago
  You said "neighbours", when in reality you mean "one neighbouring country".
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    What useless nitpicking. How does that affect the actual argument in any way?
- 1cvmask 5y ago
  Sweden has the highest density pockets of all of them. Meanwhile Norway has more fjords than people.
- ch4s3 5y ago
  The VAST majority of deaths there are people over 70, and Sweden like the US warehouses old people in cramped retirement homes where the virus can spread rapidly regardless of the public health approach outside. Their deaths fell off precipitously once vaccines got to the old. The lesson here seems to be that nursing homes probably cause some amount of excess mortality, and need special attention during epidemics/pandemics.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    You think that is different in any other country?
    - ch4s3 5y ago
      Yes, very different. Starting in the 90's Norway started transitioning from large crowded buildings with long corridors to more home based care and other approaches that seek to keep people out of settings that look like nursing homes. In southern Europe more people live with family when they're old. This is common in lots of Asia as well. In the US it varies a lot regionally and by income.
      - jseban 5y ago
        What difference does it make, they all get the virus eventually anyway
        ch4s3 5y ago
        The crowding can cause a lot of morbidity before anyone knows what's going on or how to treat the new infection. This is what happened in New York, the pandemic ripped through nursing facilities killing thousands of seniors well before any treatment was available. If things unfold more slowly, you have more time to develop treatments. A lot of the deaths in NYC occurred before we figured out that just laying people on their sides reduced the risk of dying significantly. Moreover, now that we have the ability to rapidly produce vaccines, it isn't a forgone conclusion that everyone will necessarily "get the virus eventually anyway."
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vkou 5y ago
The numbers in Russia cannot be believed. My entire extended family (in Moscow) caught what was almost certainly COVID (Most of them twice, my grandfather was at death's door over it), and not a single one of them got a positive diagnosis.

user-the-name 5y ago

Pretty sure 1485 is nearly 10x 199.

ajvs 5y ago
You said "neighbours", when in reality you mean "one neighbouring country".
- user-the-name 5y ago
  What useless nitpicking. How does that affect the actual argument in any way?
1cvmask 5y ago
Sweden has the highest density pockets of all of them. Meanwhile Norway has more fjords than people.
ch4s3 5y ago
The VAST majority of deaths there are people over 70, and Sweden like the US warehouses old people in cramped retirement homes where the virus can spread rapidly regardless of the public health approach outside. Their deaths fell off precipitously once vaccines got to the old. The lesson here seems to be that nursing homes probably cause some amount of excess mortality, and need special attention during epidemics/pandemics.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  You think that is different in any other country?
  - ch4s3 5y ago
    Yes, very different. Starting in the 90's Norway started transitioning from large crowded buildings with long corridors to more home based care and other approaches that seek to keep people out of settings that look like nursing homes. In southern Europe more people live with family when they're old. This is common in lots of Asia as well. In the US it varies a lot regionally and by income.
    - jseban 5y ago
      What difference does it make, they all get the virus eventually anyway
      - ch4s3 5y ago
        The crowding can cause a lot of morbidity before anyone knows what's going on or how to treat the new infection. This is what happened in New York, the pandemic ripped through nursing facilities killing thousands of seniors well before any treatment was available. If things unfold more slowly, you have more time to develop treatments. A lot of the deaths in NYC occurred before we figured out that just laying people on their sides reduced the risk of dying significantly. Moreover, now that we have the ability to rapidly produce vaccines, it isn't a forgone conclusion that everyone will necessarily "get the virus eventually anyway."

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vkou 5y ago

The numbers in Russia cannot be believed. My entire extended family (in Moscow) caught what was almost certainly COVID (Most of them twice, my grandfather was at death's door over it), and not a single one of them got a positive diagnosis.