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Right now in my province, unvaccinated individuals make up 11.2% of 12+ population but more than 66% of hospitalizations. I don't expect the ICU rates to be mor

Right now in my province, unvaccinated individuals make up 11.2% of 12+ population but more than 66% of hospitalizations. I don't expect the ICU rates to be more favourable to the unvaccianted than total hospitalization rates. If there is a point of rapid diminishing returns, it is not at ~90% yet. https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm...

pigeonhole123 5y ago
Are they hospitalized for Covid or all reasons?
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  These are only COVID stats.
swader999 5y ago
Your missing the vaccine injured in those stats because they define unvaccinated as anyone less than two weeks after vaccinated.
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  What do you mean? The immunity doesn't kick in the second the vaccine is injected into your arm. How else should they count vaccinated vs unvaccinated? (Also note that there is a category of partially vaccinated in the stats that is people who have only received the first dose of a two-dose vaccine).
  - swader999 5y ago
    It means the stats aren't as useful.
  - skjoldr 5y ago
    These stats do not show the difference between taking a shot but still being infected within two weeks after it, and not taking any shots at all and being infected. If you're going to blame the second group for filling up ICUs, you cannot lump them together.
dukeofdoom 5y ago
Its probably just time delayed. Give it a few months. The vaccine protection seems to wear off rather quickly, based on data from UK and Israel.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  Protection from hospitalization and death, particularly in under-65 or so, does not wear off. Neutralizing antibody levels naturally wane and can allow infection, T-cell and B-cell populations don't (unless you get infected with measles or have some other conditions, and assuming you form a robust T-cell response to begin with and aren't immunocompromised or just quite old).
  - dukeofdoom 5y ago
    I think the vaccine is probably as effective as two doses of a laxative. Any 75+ year olds that survived the two doses of the laxative, will now have better outcomes against covid. Keep in mind the effectiveness is measured in tens/100,000. An there are some very sick people given the vaccine, that die before the 14 days of the second dose.
    - lamontcg 5y ago
      > I think the vaccine is probably as effective as two doses of a laxative. Well at least people know how much weight to give your opinions.
      - dukeofdoom 5y ago
        My views are based on science https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/1466814347762671628 https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/14668143477626...
nodemaker 5y ago
Correlation does not imply causation.

pigeonhole123 5y ago

Are they hospitalized for Covid or all reasons?

smnrchrds 5y ago
These are only COVID stats.

swader999 5y ago

Your missing the vaccine injured in those stats because they define unvaccinated as anyone less than two weeks after vaccinated.

smnrchrds 5y ago
What do you mean? The immunity doesn't kick in the second the vaccine is injected into your arm. How else should they count vaccinated vs unvaccinated? (Also note that there is a category of partially vaccinated in the stats that is people who have only received the first dose of a two-dose vaccine).
- swader999 5y ago
  It means the stats aren't as useful.
- skjoldr 5y ago
  These stats do not show the difference between taking a shot but still being infected within two weeks after it, and not taking any shots at all and being infected. If you're going to blame the second group for filling up ICUs, you cannot lump them together.

dukeofdoom 5y ago

Its probably just time delayed. Give it a few months. The vaccine protection seems to wear off rather quickly, based on data from UK and Israel.

lamontcg 5y ago
Protection from hospitalization and death, particularly in under-65 or so, does not wear off. Neutralizing antibody levels naturally wane and can allow infection, T-cell and B-cell populations don't (unless you get infected with measles or have some other conditions, and assuming you form a robust T-cell response to begin with and aren't immunocompromised or just quite old).
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  I think the vaccine is probably as effective as two doses of a laxative. Any 75+ year olds that survived the two doses of the laxative, will now have better outcomes against covid. Keep in mind the effectiveness is measured in tens/100,000. An there are some very sick people given the vaccine, that die before the 14 days of the second dose.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    > I think the vaccine is probably as effective as two doses of a laxative. Well at least people know how much weight to give your opinions.
    - dukeofdoom 5y ago
      My views are based on science https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/1466814347762671628 https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/14668143477626...

nodemaker 5y ago

Correlation does not imply causation.