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You forget one, the people that are dying have taken the risk for ther own and didn't want to get vaccinated. It's ok when they die, it's their decision that's

You forget one, the people that are dying have taken the risk for ther own and didn't want to get vaccinated. It's ok when they die, it's their decision that's gone wrong. Other people didn't got vaccinated and will never get covid anywhere. This is a decision that not the government has to make for the people.

discreteevent 5y ago
Those people don't refuse to go to hospital and they don't refuse the ICU bed.
- jpttsn 5y ago
  Would you support a comprehensive healthcare opt-out, where an unvaccinated person would forego right to treatment, and also not have to pay taxes for public healthcare?
  - CamperBob2 5y ago
    No, because at the end of the day, we're not going to literally let them die on the sidewalk outside the hospital just because they can't pay. That means that somebody has to pay for them. Given that unavoidable but inconvenient fact, basic health care and life support might as well be organized under the auspices of the state and the costs shared among all residents.
  - kelnos 5y ago
    If you aren't willing to do your part to protect yourself and your community, why should your community protect you, when doing so would endanger others' lives?
    - mensetmanusman 5y ago
      The same can be said if many STDs though, drug use, and obesity.
    - landemva 5y ago
      That reflects a deep socialist mentality.
pelasaco 5y ago
those people still paid their taxes, health plan care and they should be treated. Stuff like this https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/sw/Intensivmedizin?s=&p=1&n=1&nid=114805 https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/sw/Intensivmedizin?s=... should be better investigated. I thought as German, something that we learned from our past was not "oben buckeln und nach unten treten" or something like "to crawl to the bigwigs and bully the underlings". Winter 2021, and we still don't have a plan, the schools still offline and the numbers are much worse now than winter 2020 when the numbers of unvaccinated were almost 90% of the population.

discreteevent 5y ago

Those people don't refuse to go to hospital and they don't refuse the ICU bed.

jpttsn 5y ago
Would you support a comprehensive healthcare opt-out, where an unvaccinated person would forego right to treatment, and also not have to pay taxes for public healthcare?
- CamperBob2 5y ago
  No, because at the end of the day, we're not going to literally let them die on the sidewalk outside the hospital just because they can't pay. That means that somebody has to pay for them. Given that unavoidable but inconvenient fact, basic health care and life support might as well be organized under the auspices of the state and the costs shared among all residents.
- kelnos 5y ago
  If you aren't willing to do your part to protect yourself and your community, why should your community protect you, when doing so would endanger others' lives?
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    The same can be said if many STDs though, drug use, and obesity.
  - landemva 5y ago
    That reflects a deep socialist mentality.

pelasaco 5y ago

those people still paid their taxes, health plan care and they should be treated. Stuff like this https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/sw/Intensivmedizin?s=&p=1&n=1&nid=114805 https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/sw/Intensivmedizin?s=... should be better investigated. I thought as German, something that we learned from our past was not "oben buckeln und nach unten treten" or something like "to crawl to the bigwigs and bully the underlings". Winter 2021, and we still don't have a plan, the schools still offline and the numbers are much worse now than winter 2020 when the numbers of unvaccinated were almost 90% of the population.